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California immigrants thrive where little English is spoken
fresnoBee.com State News ^ | September 2, 2002 | SANDRA MARQUEZ

Posted on 09/02/2002 8:14:25 AM PDT by sweetliberty

Edited on 04/12/2004 2:10:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ask Odalia Ramirez if she speaks English and the Guatemala-born housewife will tell you "un poquito," or a little bit. But that doesn't limit Ramirez, 40, from getting by in Pico-Union, a predominantly Central American neighborhood where you can eat steamed corn "pupusas" stuffed with meat and cheese, put a down payment on a dream retirement home in El Salvador while doing your grocery shopping and have your taxes prepared by a Spanish-speaking accountant.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; hablaespanol; illegals; immigration
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To: Amerigomag
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81 posted on 09/02/2002 12:26:11 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration until we find better ways to police our borders.

So that 100% of those entering our country will be illegal aliens?

82 posted on 09/02/2002 12:28:16 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: bimbo
"The borders must be closed, illegals deported, and legal Immigrants encouraged to assimilate.

The borders must be closed, illegals deported, and legal Immigrants encouraged required to assimilate.

83 posted on 09/02/2002 12:33:19 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Roscoe
Careful, you'll upset the bigots.

You're referring to the Mexican bigots who refuse to learn to speak English, right?

84 posted on 09/02/2002 12:34:15 PM PDT by usadave
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To: FITZ
Are those the figures for legal immigrants? If so, I hate to think what it would be if illegals were included.
85 posted on 09/02/2002 12:36:16 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: SouthernFreebird
15 years and she can barely understand english, talk about lazy.

I work for a company that takes people's depositions. It is not at all unusual for us to take the deposition of someone who came here from Mexico 30 years ago or longer, and they still need an interpreter because they don't know any English.

86 posted on 09/02/2002 12:37:22 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: Roscoe
"immigrants are cheaper but equally as productive as native-born workers across all levels of education from high school dropouts to college graduates."

All the more reason that there should be stiff penalties for employers who hire illegals. Not only are they cheating Americans out of jobs, but they are lowering the standards for the entire nation.

87 posted on 09/02/2002 12:39:10 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Roscoe
Legal immigrants are willing to work longer and harder than slackers.

Slacker legal immigrants don't work longer and harder than American slackers. Hard working immigrants work about as well as hard working Americans. Some immigrants are okay but many should be returned to their homelands which usually are good reflections of the cultures they bring with them.

88 posted on 09/02/2002 12:46:33 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Roscoe
"What people are those"

The so-called immigrants that have inundated California who are predominantly ILLEGAL." Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

89 posted on 09/02/2002 12:50:33 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
Oh, like Chinatown huh?

Don't know about where you live, but here in Houston we have LOTS AND LOTS of Chinese. Only a tiny number of them speak no English.

90 posted on 09/02/2002 12:51:10 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: sweetliberty
To add: Spanish is not always just Spanish. Some dialects are difficult for other Spanish speakers to understand. Not only are communities isolating themselves from English, but from other forms of spoken Spanish.

Second-gen Hispanics no longer speak the elegant and easily understood Spanish of their Mexican parents (and these parents speak a very pretty Spanish), but a rather ugly and coarse "pidgin" that they couldn't begin to write or spell. I recall from my teaching days being told that I spoke Spanish like a "hota"--this adolescent spelled the word this way when I was confused at what he meant--took me a while to figure out that the word was "joto" (homosexual). Apparently my command of his language struck this teen as effeminate. He spoke his parent's language like a thug.

Spanish is a very easy language to learn compared to the complex spelling and vocabularly-rich English. This is because English is an amalgam of German(ic) langauges, Norman French, and bits and pieces of everything else. We have many more words to learn, many different shades of meaning to master, because English is simply richer and wider. That also means that learning to spell it is much more difficult.

91 posted on 09/02/2002 12:52:05 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: FITZ
Read carefully.

I said nothing about "Canada" or "the Balkans."

I'm talking about the AMERICAN experience. We're in America.

Understand now?

92 posted on 09/02/2002 12:52:37 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Roscoe
"So that 100% of those entering our country will be illegal aliens?"

I suppose if there was a moratorium on immigration and they jumped the borders in disregard of our laws, then yes.

93 posted on 09/02/2002 12:52:58 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
I also believe that we need to adopt a zero tolerance policy for illegals, no matter what country they come from, unless they are political refugees or fleeing some form of slavery in their country of origin, such as prostitution.

Many of them smuggled in to engage in prostitution do it voluntarily to get into the country, but the government treats them as victims anyway. Ashcroft set up special T-visas just for these cases. Same thing with China and the one child policy.

Our hospitality is being taken advantage of and the government does nothing but encourage more of it.

94 posted on 09/02/2002 12:53:31 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: blueriver
The funny thing about statements like this is, it completely ignores the HUGE market for materials, classes, videotapes, etc., geared toward helping those who speak Spanish learn English.

Yes, there are some who are not inclined to learn--I have known a few.

They are the "losers." Those who wish to take advantage of the American dream--and there are many--quickly learn English.

95 posted on 09/02/2002 12:55:18 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: FITZ
They don't earn every dime they get. They go to the ER to get their health care because they're told they have to be seen there. Then they run up a $400 bill and leave YOU to pay it. They hit your car on the way out (they don't have a license, much less insurance)...you have to file a claim on your insurance, and your premiums go up.

They're here to mow the lawns of rich folks because those rich folks don't want to pay an American wage to get the job done. And those folks don't care a whole lot that the costs come out of our hides and pocketbooks.

96 posted on 09/02/2002 12:56:46 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Apparently my command of his language struck this teen as effeminate.

Maybe you use "theta" instead of "ceta".

97 posted on 09/02/2002 12:57:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Illbay
I live in Arkansas, most recently the state with the fastest growing population of illegals in the country. I can go to the store and feel like I am in Mexico and it offends me. This is the south, USA, not Juarez.
98 posted on 09/02/2002 12:57:05 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: FreedomFriend
Not sure of your point. There are lots of people with Hispanic surnames here in Houston, yes.

There will probably be more and more of them over the next several decades.

But most of the ones that care a diddle about their own and their family's prosperity learn English.

I know quite a few Hispanic immigrants, who range from skilled laborers to professionals. They all speak English.

99 posted on 09/02/2002 12:58:14 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Mamzelle
They don't earn every dime they get. They go to the ER to get their health care

Yes ---I'm very well aware of that ---too well aware --they want to give us a huge tax increase for the local county hospital that is only used by them. We pay in all ways for their health care especially the high rates of TB and hepatitis B and C they're bringing in because health screens aren't required. I meant the few healthy illegals who aren't bringing their entire families in who work and are trying to support their families back home but are at least working for what they take. For those I'd rather see a temporary worker program.

100 posted on 09/02/2002 1:00:50 PM PDT by FITZ
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