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California immigrants thrive where little English is spoken
fresnoBee.com State News ^ | September 2, 2002 | SANDRA MARQUEZ

Posted on 09/02/2002 8:14:25 AM PDT by sweetliberty

Edited on 04/12/2004 2:10:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ask Odalia Ramirez if she speaks English and the Guatemala-born housewife will tell you "un poquito," or a little bit. But that doesn't limit Ramirez, 40, from getting by in Pico-Union, a predominantly Central American neighborhood where you can eat steamed corn "pupusas" stuffed with meat and cheese, put a down payment on a dream retirement home in El Salvador while doing your grocery shopping and have your taxes prepared by a Spanish-speaking accountant.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; hablaespanol; illegals; immigration
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To: Roscoe
And you didn't get your way?

Obviously not, and neither did the 60 to 70% of the population who want immigration reduced.

If enough voters make it an issue at the polls, current policies will change.

Agree. Michigan booted Abraham over the immigration disaster, it needs to be done nationwide.

121 posted on 09/02/2002 4:56:25 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: FITZ
"I haven't been to Quebec but I would suspect there's as much or more English spoke there as there is in the area I live."

I was there many years ago for just a few days and it is probably the one time I really felt I was in a foreign country. While most people who serviced the tourist trade spoke English quite well, most of the population spoke only French. I am not sure how it is now. Of course, I was 16 then so it was kind of an adventure.

Interestingly, I have made several trips across the Mexican border, and the locals there speak better English than most Mexicans I encounter here.

122 posted on 09/02/2002 5:04:43 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Roscoe
sorry, I was a little slow to catch on.
123 posted on 09/02/2002 5:12:59 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: blueriver
sorry, I was a little slow to catch on.

Guess I have no future as a comedian. :)

124 posted on 09/02/2002 5:19:55 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: blueriver
In this area none of them are learning English.

Read what I said originally. The first generation immigrants typically DON'T learn English. The second generation does, and is truly "bilingual." The bilinguality disappears almost completely by the third generation.

That's how it's always been.

125 posted on 09/02/2002 5:25:07 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
The second generation does, and is truly "bilingual."

And a large number of the kids learn ONLY English.

126 posted on 09/02/2002 5:38:53 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: sweetliberty
Whadda ya mean "soon"?
127 posted on 09/02/2002 5:42:51 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
"Whadda ya mean "soon"?

Point taken.

128 posted on 09/02/2002 5:45:32 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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I remember actor Erik Estrada ("Chips,"remember?) talking about getting a job on a Spanish-language soap opera in South America.

He had to re-learn proper Spanish practically from scratch, as the Spanish he'd spoken from childhood was a crude pidgin variant.

129 posted on 09/02/2002 6:02:52 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: sweetliberty
Sheesh, parts of Marietta, GA and Smyrna, GA are starting to look like Little Mexico. Spanish storefronts, entire shopping centers, apartment complexes filled with mostly illegal Mexicans. Mexican flags hanging in the windows, on signs, buildings painted red, white, and green. Illegals walking up and down alongside busy four lane roads, wearing paths where no sidewalk exists, disposing of shopping carts a quarter to half mile from the supermarket they were stolen.

Americans leave in droves to get away from the effects, as well as the graffiti that starts showing up.

It's not only Mexicans, it's getting to be all third world immigrants and their unwillingness or inability to assimilate into the mainstream. I'm now starting to see signs, much like with the Spanish language, that state, "We Speak Portuguese (but in the Portuguese language). I'm starting to see Indians dorning their storefronts in Urdu or whatever language they speak. I'm seeing Thaiwanese opening up shops with storefronts dorned in straight Thai. I'm seeing an alien looking atmosphere that is becoming more and more unrecognizable from the all-American place that it was just four years ago.

Yet, we're supposed to take it, to see our country turned into a multicultural empire. We're expected to have a declining living standard, as well as to be forced out of our neighborhoods. It's okay for them not to speak nor write English. It's okay for them to suck up social services as well as take our jobs for penneys on the dollar.

The leadership of this country has gone mad, and the balkanization is now accelerating a massive rate. The whole world is flooding our beautiful Republic, and it is becoming trashed.

130 posted on 09/02/2002 6:06:20 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: sweetliberty
In California illegal aliens are also collecting welfare and everything else available. False documentation is big business here. With it they get FULL medical care, welfare, food stamps and sometimes housing assistance. We also get to educate their kids. Now they want college assistance too. If anyone tells you that illegal aliens aren't a drain on the California taxpayer, they're lying.

We have such overcrowded schools that we're going to have to build many more. Our trauma centers and medical offices are closing because they can't afford to stay open because of charity cases. The prisons here are bulging at the seams, something like 30% illegal aliens residing there.

No wonder that many older Californians are leaving the state.

The illegal aliens don't want to learn English because they don't have to - everything is translated for them. When I call my bank's automated number the first thing I hear is "For English, press one". We're being invaded, and we're paying for it. This is why I'll not vote for George Bush again. I really thought he would try to at least slow down the human invasion, but I was wrong.

131 posted on 09/02/2002 6:06:37 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: sweetliberty
By the way, the only collective group of newcomers that I have seen assimilate well are Europeans, Canadians and Australians, and perhaps a few Japanese.
132 posted on 09/02/2002 6:08:21 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: sweetliberty
You are right about that, but I believe that there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration until we find better ways to police our borders.

I'll agree to that. Immigration's numbers are out of control, and it's time for a ten year moratorium.

133 posted on 09/02/2002 6:09:44 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: janetgreen
No wonder that many older Californians are leaving the state.

They can come to NY if they like. There was a time not too long ago everyone in the frozen zone was California dreamin', now most I hear say they'll stay right where they are.

134 posted on 09/02/2002 6:10:26 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Drill Alaska
I'm in one of the 25% to 49.9% areas. I would estimate that this huge invasion has happened mostly in the last ten years. Talk about culture shock and opening of the purse strings!
135 posted on 09/02/2002 6:14:50 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Everyone who is concerned about this issue needs to call their Congressman and tell them to support it.

Visit www.numbersusa.com to use free, pre-written and pre-addressed faxes (or you can compose your own)to Congress and the President.

136 posted on 09/02/2002 6:17:51 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Perhaps two countries will be drawn up in the future. A third world socialistic country, and a free western one. However, I'm not holding my breath. Plus, I also want to save what we have right now.
137 posted on 09/02/2002 6:18:57 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
It is amazing. I think that I may have to go out and take some pictures of the cultural invasion.
138 posted on 09/02/2002 6:19:42 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: janetgreen
Visit www.numbersusa.com to use free, pre-written and pre-addressed faxes...

And it is effective. NumbersUSA played a big role in stopping the last 245(i) attempt in Congress because of the faxes and calls.

139 posted on 09/02/2002 6:22:50 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Drill Alaska
Reconquista looks to be on its way.
140 posted on 09/02/2002 6:22:56 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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