Satellite Search Underway For Noah's Ark

Turpan Faces, Uygars

The Uygars are the European remnants of this Asian/European meeting. (The Tarim Mummies)
I think I have found the Asian remnants like the Uygars. They may be the Hakka Chinese.. (More to come)

Hakka Origins

What do you say MeeknMing?

Late Hakka Migrations

"Some claim Hakka as "pure" Han people. But pure Han really does not exist. Recent archaeological studies have shown that China had multiple centers of civilization, developed rather independently of each other. Yangshao (Henan), Banpo(Shaanxi), Hongshan (Liaoning) , Liangzhu(Jiangsu/Zhejiang), Sanxingdui (Sichuan), Longshan (Shandong) all eventually merged into the Han culture. Han people are thus the integrated composite of several different tribes. In a way, the definition of Han is just as difficult as the definition of American. Hakkas as Han cannot be ethnically pure. Hakka have been at the interface of ethnic conflicts for many dynasties. Genetically speaking, some Hakka people have clearly inherited some non-Han features such as wavy hair and high nose bridge. Hakka must have incorporated these features from the different ethnicities along the migration path through out the 2000 years of history. The characteristic of Hakkas can only be recognized by the dialect and the adamant preservation of ancient Chinese custom."

Hakka Origins

What do you say MeeknMing?

Wow, thanks! Interesting.
From your link there, this snippet leads me to believe that Ming must be Hakka !

Among all the Chinese people, Hakkas are among the most conservative in keeping the traditions. Yet, many are willing to take risks and seek new opportunities elsewhere to establish themselves. The migratory tradition results in the distribution of Hakka in the most remote part of the world. An anecdote has it that the north-most restaurant in the world close to the Arctic is in fact a Chinese restaurant run by a Hakka. :)

Thanks for the ping. Very interesting, yeah.

Assuming the validity of pole shifts during Historical times, then a 90 degree pole shift would flood the highest mountains under 15 MILES of water. That is because the earth bulges along the plane of rotation. Thus, if the plane changes with the pole shift then the landscape would be changed outrageously.

Well, the 90 degree shift was millions of years ago. But a mere 75,000 years ago we had a 30 degree pole shift, and a 15 degree pole shift around 45,000 years ago, anda 20 degree pole shift around 20,000 years ago. Exact figures and data can be obtained if you want specific figures.

A Very interesting article.

In 1959, stereo photos where taken by a Turkish airline pilot of a boat shaped object on the mountains of Ararat for The Geodetic Institute of Turkey. Dr. Brandenburger of Ohio State University, USA, after studying the photographs concluded, "I have no doubt at all, that this object is a ship. In my entire career, I have never seen an object like this on a stereo photograph." Dr. Brandenburger was a photogrammetry expert who had discovered the missile bases in Cuba, during the Kennedy era.

Ground penetrating radar proved the boat to have three decks, the top two decks had collapsed leaving the bottom deck intact which contained 144 rooms. Walls, cavities, a door near the front, ramps, and two large round 'tank shapes' near to the bow were also located. The radar scan revealed four protrusions extending from the stern that were probably stabilizers.

In 1959, stereo photos where taken by a Turkish airline pilot of a boat shaped object on the mountains of Ararat for The Geodetic Institute of Turkey. Dr. Brandenburger of Ohio State University, USA, after studying the photographs concluded, "I have no doubt at all, that this object is a ship. In my entire career, I have never seen an object like this on a stereo photograph." Dr. Brandenburger was a photogrammetry expert who had discovered the missile bases in Cuba, during the Kennedy era. An American team ran a day and a half expedition to the site, hardly enough time to carry out any scientific testing. They blew a hole in the side of the structure with dynamite, although some timber shaped stones were revealed, their conclusion was, "Nothing of any archaeological interest". If this object was Noah's Ark, it would be approximately 4400 years old so the wood would have petrified. So finding timber shaped stone was encouraging evidence. However, because the material had no growth rings, the team decided it could not be wood. But does this really prove true?The conditions of the world before the Biblical flood, were very different from now. The Bible says, "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...But there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground." (Gen 2: 5, 6). Growth rings in wood are caused by seasonal variations, so in a pre flood environment, with no seasonal variations, the trees would have no growth rings. And this is exactly what the American team found! In fact, if the material did have growth rings, it could not have been Noah's Ark.After seeing an article published in LIFE magazine covering the expedition, Ron Wyatt an amateur archaeologist, visited the site in 1977. His interest was aroused and he decided the structure deserved further investigation as to whether this could be Noah's Ark.

It lay 6,300 feet above sea level, much too high to be the remains of a boat from a local flood. It is over 200 miles from the nearest sea. The dimensions were consistent with the Biblical description of Noah's Ark in Gen. 6:15, measuring 300 cubits long. The width was greater than that mentioned in the Bible as the sides of the boat had splayed, which would be expected in a boat of that age.

In 1959, stereo photos where taken by a Turkish airline pilot of a boat shaped object on the mountains of Ararat for The Geodetic Institute of Turkey. Dr. Brandenburger of Ohio State University, USA, after studying the photographs concluded, "I have no doubt at all, that this object is a ship. In my entire career, I have never seen an object like this on a stereo photograph." Dr. Brandenburger was a photogrammetry expert who had discovered the missile bases in Cuba, during the Kennedy era. An American team ran a day and a half expedition to the site, hardly enough time to carry out any scientific testing. They blew a hole in the side of the structure with dynamite, although some timber shaped stones were revealed, their conclusion was, "Nothing of any archaeological interest". If this object was Noah's Ark, it would be approximately 4400 years old so the wood would have petrified. So finding timber shaped stone was encouraging evidence. However, because the material had no growth rings, the team decided it could not be wood. But does this really prove true?The conditions of the world before the Biblical flood, were very different from now. The Bible says, "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...But there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground." (Gen 2: 5, 6). Growth rings in wood are caused by seasonal variations, so in a pre flood environment, with no seasonal variations, the trees would have no growth rings. And this is exactly what the American team found! In fact, if the material did have growth rings, it could not have been Noah's Ark.After seeing an article published in LIFE magazine covering the expedition, Ron Wyatt an amateur archaeologist, visited the site in 1977. His interest was aroused and he decided the structure deserved further investigation as to whether this could be Noah's Ark. It lay 6,300 feet above sea level, much too high to be the remains of a boat from a local flood. It is over 200 miles from the nearest sea. The dimensions were consistent with the Biblical description of Noah's Ark in Gen. 6:15, measuring 300 cubits long. The width was greater than that mentioned in the Bible as the sides of the boat had splayed, which would be expected in a boat of that age. Ground penetrating radar proved the boat to have three decks, the top two decks had collapsed leaving the bottom deck intact which contained 144 rooms. Walls, cavities, a door near the front, ramps, and two large round 'tank shapes' near to the bow were also located. The radar scan revealed four protrusions extending from the stern that were probably stabilizers. Ron tested the material at Galbraith Laboratories in Knoxville, Tennessee and it proved to be laminated, petrified wood. Tests for carbon showed that samples from the site contained much higher carbon content than the surrounding area. The specimen from the site proved to be 4.95% carbon, while the specimen from the surrounding area, tested at 1.88%. Thus the specimen from the site had once been living matter. Such sophisticated alloys as iron, titanium and aluminium also proved to be present. With only a superficial inspection the rib timbers and deck joists are clearly visible along the entire length of the ship.

With the use of four types of different metal detectors, thousands of metal rivets were found on the site. Iron was found at regular intervals which made up a pattern of horizontal and vertical lines 'criss-crossing' the boat, demonstrating iron at the levels of each bulkhead. Conventional science teaches that the iron age far precedes the time of the flood, but the Bible in Genesis 4:22 says, "Tubalcain, [was] an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron". Iron nodules were also found in about 5400 places, which show linear patterns consistent with the shape of the hull.

In 1991, Greg Brewer, found a petrified antler in the side of the ark. As a result of a core drilling Ron found extinct rodent hair, petrified animal droppings and red human hair.All the expeditions have so far been to Mt. Ararat, but what does the Bible actually say about the resting place of Noah's Ark? Gen 8:4, "And the ark rested on the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. The Bible does not say the ark came to rest on Mt. Ararat, but on the mountain range of Ararat. That is exactly where we find this boat shaped object, it is located about fifteen miles south of Mt. Ararat.The names of the surrounding places are interestingly associated with the Biblical account of the flood. The valley is called 'The Valley of Eight', in reference to the eight survivors of the flood, Noah and his wife, their three sons and their wives. A village in the valley translates to 'The Village of Eight', where several giant anchor stones can be found thousands of feet above sea level and hundreds of kilometers from the nearest sea. On the anchor stones there are carved Christian crosses from the crusader period, evidence that the crusaders also recognized the Christian significance of the anchor stones. There are thirteen of these anchor stones that all lie in direct line with the boat. So evidently, Noah cut them loose as the waters subsided and just before the ark came to rest.

Near to this village is another smaller village with a name that translates to 'The Crow will not Stand'. Undoubtedly, referring to when Noah released a raven from the ark. Another village is called 'Where the Oars were Reversed', again suggesting that a boat once passed over this area, where it began to slow down to its final resting place. The Turkish government has also sent their own archaeological team, who recovered four intact metal rods, each about four foot long. These are now in the possession of the Ministry of Mines and Minerals, in Turkey. They have officially dedicated the site as a national park declaring it to be the remains of Noah's Ark!

I just have to go to Turkey.(Horrible Timing w/ upcoming the Saddam Mess)It's interesting that Turkey is very much aligned with America,(almost like Israel) and The Ark Rests in the Mountains of Ararat.I just have to get there someday. I may just buy those 2 videos he has for sale too to appease myself.

I've seen pictures of this from the ground. It does look like the ribs of a hull are sticking out over a ledge.

If I had a nickle every time some kook claims to have discovered Noah's Ark, I'd be a very rich man. Finding an old boat, or an anomaly on the side of a hill, just isn't enough. Sorry guys.

The Celts are hardly "the Lost Tribes". Linguistically there isn't any connection, nor are Celts Semites. One major way the "Lost Tribes" became lost was through intermarriage with the Canaanite tribes around them. They lost their culture and left their religion, unlike their cousins to the south.

"I just have to go to Turkey.(Horrible Timing w/ upcoming the Saddam Mess)It's interesting that Turkey is very much aligned with America,(almost like Israel)

See the profile page of LostTribe for a better understanding.

I saw an hour long TV special on this subject. The most impressive thing IMO were the 'anchor stones.' (..or whatever they're called that were up there.)

>The Celts are hardly "the Lost Tribes".

Make your case.

>Linguistically there isn't any connection,

Ask any real archeologist and he will tell you that language is the poorest way to attempt to determine who went where. Think about it, how many generations does it take immigrants to America to lose ALL linkeage with their ancestors language?

Having said that, there are a large number of links from ancient Hebrew to contemporary English. The author of the book on the Assyrian Tablets in British Museum dedicates 12 pages in Chapter 11 just to that subject.

>nor are Celts Semites.

Would the Celts have to look like Yassir Arafat to be Semites? How may of these Jewish Semites could be easily confused for their Celtic cousins in Europe and America:

Joseph Lieberman, Paul Newman, Ted Koppel, Harrison Ford, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., Kirk Douglas, Kevin Costner, Stephen Breyer, Yitzhak Rabin, Michael Landon, Lorne Greene, Mike Wallace, Benjamin Netanyahu, William Shatner, Douglas Fairbanks, Cary Grant, Leonard Bernstein, Paul Simon, Ariel Sharon, David Frost, Morley Safer, Ari Fleischer,

Jack Benny, Alan King, Casper Weinberger, Carl Reiner, George Burns, Red Buttons, Sam Levinson, Bernard Goldberg, Robert Downey Jr., Dustin Hoffman, Michael Douglas, Peter Sellers, Tony Curtis, Edward G. Robinson, Wolf Blitzer, Mel Torme, Paul Wellstone, Peter Falk, Leonard Nimoy, Jerry Springer, Arlen Spector, William Cohen,

Barry Goldwater, Robert Rubin, William Roth, Howard Metzenbaum, Hyman Rickover, Robert Reich, Russ Feinberg, Stanley Mosk, Arthur Burns, Milton Friedman, Bill Kristol, Victor Borge, William Kristol, Warren Rudman, etc., etc, etc.

The Celts and the Jews are genetic cousins. All are offspring from Jacob/Israel, and all are Hebrews, Semites, and Israelites. (See My LostTribe Profile below for more details...)

>One major way the "Lost Tribes" became lost was through intermarriage with the Canaanite tribes around them.

That is only speculation without any basis in fact. Besides, the Lost Tribes of Israel did not return to Canaan when they escaped the Assyrians. They went primarily to the West and NorthWest.

>They lost their culture and left their religion, unlike their cousins to the south.

That much is correct. Of course their cousins to the South (who much later became known as Jews) also left their Israelite religion for a time, and have been punished continuously for it ever since.

BUMP to read when I'm not supposed to be working ;-)

Their intentions may be good but I'm guessing they are wasting their time looking here. For one, the mountain was named long after the fact, for the biblical name, not the other way around, and for another, the description in Genesis says 'mountains of Ararat', which is pretty generalized. Toss in the likelyhood that the flood was much further away in the Tarim basin, and we have the trappings of a boondoggle.

"Toss in the likelyhood that the flood was much further away in the Tarim basin, and we have the trappings of a boondoggle."

When do you think this flood occurred in the Tarim Basin. Was the Turpan Basin affected too?