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Outside view: Bush-Fox honeymoon over
UPI ^ | 8/31/2002 1:47 PM | RoseLee Bovell, Alonzo Sanchez and Sarah Stokes

Posted on 08/31/2002 11:59:13 AM PDT by Destro

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1 posted on 08/31/2002 11:59:14 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
No Mexican president can afford to appear weak in front of the United States

He looked stupid. His country has sky-rocketing crime, the government is certainly involved in many executions just not publically. He has done nothing to find the killers of young Mexican women just outside our border. Mexico can't just be a parasite on the US to fix it's many problems, it has to start with some serious internal changes.

2 posted on 08/31/2002 12:03:42 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Destro
four undocumented immigrants trying to enter the country illegally died on an isolated stretch of the Arizona desert due to the intense heat.

This article fails to mention the US border agents that have been shot at or killed by invading Mexicans.

More illegal immigrants died last month trying to cross the border than during any other month.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Either we're making some real progress, or the overall number of illegals is increasing, therby increasing the number of those who die on the way.

3 posted on 08/31/2002 12:09:09 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Mulder
Shame on us for not doing what the Greeks do:

Wed Aug 28, 5:12 AM ET (AP) ATHENS, Greece - An illegal immigrant was killed and two others injured Wednesday after straying into a minefield near Greece's border with Turkey, a military official said.

4 posted on 08/31/2002 12:19:27 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Mulder
or the overall number of illegals is increasing

That's what it is. I think just as many are coming over on the Mexican bus lines as ever ---the Golden State and Americanos buses are always filled to capacity. Illegal drugs are just as plentiful and are another indication. Conditions in Mexico are worsening too which means we'll be getting even more.

5 posted on 08/31/2002 12:30:38 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Destro
The honeymoon is over.

In the divorce the US will have to pay child support on all the illegitimate children.

6 posted on 08/31/2002 12:43:52 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: Destro
and left many Mexicans wondering whether their country is getting enough in return for their president's support of Washington."

My God, getting enough in return? How about the fact that millions of their border jumpers have been supported by stupid Americans for years now. If "their president" supported Washington in any way, I have not heard of it. In fact, I didn't hear a peep from Fox on 9/11 or afterwards, except to encourage more illegal immigration. What a bunch of jackasses.

7 posted on 08/31/2002 1:03:42 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Destro
"...by local and state officials (U.S.) who insist that their cheap labor is needed in the chicken-processing plants and in the fields"

These chicken processing plants (let's hear it for Bubba's good buddy Tyson) used to provide living wage blue-collar jobs for honest hard working American citizens in little towns throughout the South and Midwest, just as the fish processors and canneries did all around Alaska.

These days you've got Illegals working in those jobs at the '70's wage level, the blue-coller American worker is out of a job, depressed and hooked on meth and welfare, their families have disintegrated, and their children are being raised by Jerry Springer and MTV.

THIS is the legacy of FREE TRADE.

8 posted on 08/31/2002 1:04:12 PM PDT by CIBvet
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In the beginning, I did not fault Bush for wanting a partnership with Fox to help build up Mexico. However, it has turned out that the only thing Fox wants from Bush is free passage, food and lodging for the millions of illegal Mexicans in the US. (not to mention free health care, free education, interfering with US law, etc.) Bush cannot have an equal partnership with a leech.
9 posted on 08/31/2002 1:04:27 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: Destro
Wow, what a beautifully written op-ed piece. There are so many expertly cast anti-Bush nuances herein, that I must applaud UPI's opinion writers! Great job, boys and girls!

Straight news must have gotten boring over at UPI. My question is, who has a link to this new UPI op-ed site? I didn't think there was a UPI opinion page, but by the content of this piece it is clear I was wrong.

10 posted on 08/31/2002 1:07:29 PM PDT by RainDog
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To: CIBvet
Good post, and true (#8). All along the west coast there were thousands of jobs for Americans in the fish canneries. They now employ mostly illegals for low wages, just like so many other industries in the U.S., and many American workers have had to get two jobs to support their families. Free trade is not free, except for big business.
11 posted on 08/31/2002 1:10:50 PM PDT by janetgreen
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If we don't go after the REAL criminals ... the CEO's and Co.Mgrs who profit from hiring the Illegals, and pay-off the politicians ... if we don't go after them all with a vengence, the problem will NEVER be stopped, and America as we have been blessed to grow up in and know it, WILL be lost forever.
12 posted on 08/31/2002 1:12:13 PM PDT by CIBvet
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To: CIBvet
California as I knew it (I have been here almost all my life) is already lost to Mexico.
13 posted on 08/31/2002 1:18:10 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
I used to doubt something like that could ever happen.

It's so sad to watch it become reality.

Haven't heard from you in a while ... good to see you back. You were a warrior early on.

14 posted on 08/31/2002 1:26:50 PM PDT by CIBvet
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Yep, I'm still around. Sometimes I just have to take some time to allow my blood pressure to normalize (especially after reading illegal immigration threads... :^)
15 posted on 08/31/2002 1:36:16 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: dougherty
Agreed. After 70 years of corrupt PRI rule, Fox had an historic opporunity to build a geninue partnership with the U.S. Fox, elected on a religious-right platform, could have stood side-by-side with Bush against the Godless, left-wing agenda of U.N. and the European Union. In exchange, Bush was more than willing to impliment capitalist partnerships with Mexican businesses and work to build up the Mexican middle class so the immigration crisis would subside and Mexico would take its place as an emerging superpower.

Fox instead choose to abandon the "conservative" platform he was elected on and veer to the far-left so he could demand the U.S. impliment a socialist agenda. He wanted a one-sided deal that would simply help Mexico in the short run by leeching off the U.S.

Fox had the opporunity to appointed a dyed-in-the-wool consevative foreign minister who would lobby for programs to help his LEGAL immigrats assimulate in America, while working hard to return ILLEGAL immigrats to Mexico where their workforce was desperately needed. Instead, Fox appointed an unabashed communist who tried to ram his open-border agenda down our throat.

Fox has the opporuntity to regain the trust of the United States (after years the U.S. bailing Mexico out) by standing with us in resolutions to back Israel, fight the war on terrorism, and end support for communist nations. He choose pick ambassadors and delegates who would continue to back socialism and vote against pro-Western, American resolutions.

Fox had the opporunity to use his strong Christian "convictions" in his party to stop the opporession of the Catholic church in Mexico-- so they could provide for pro-family programs instead of the government allowing for a corrupt welfare state. He could have used his values to help Bush pass socially consevative items for Catholic hispanic Americans. Instead he choose to defy his own religion's marriage laws and traditions, and to care more about protesting the execution of convicted criminals in the U.S. than innocent babies (evidentially, Mr. Fox doesn't mind when Mexican nations show up in the U.S. for taxpayer funded abortions).

On every issue, Fox has abandoned conservatives, and so now conservatives-- included those in his OWN party-- are abandoning him in droves.

You reap what you sow, so nice to see you go.

16 posted on 08/31/2002 4:01:14 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: FITZ
I've been saying for months that the perceived buddy-buddy relationship between Fox and Bush is nothing more than a well-crafted illusion... Fox has turned into a nut and Dubya wants nothing to do with him.
17 posted on 08/31/2002 4:03:12 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Destro; Brownie74; dennisw; glc1173@aol.com
Mexico is a dangerous country that should be dealt with the same way as we may be planning to deal with Iraq. Mexico is closer than Iraq, and Mexico has millions of it's loyal minions already on U.S. soil. That makes it more dangerous than Iraq.

NAFTA is a disaster.

18 posted on 08/31/2002 4:12:42 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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What everybody needs to realize is that Mexicans themselves, particularly Fox, Castaneda, and Ruffo Appel, are actively encouraging this invasion. Every time some Mexican croaks, they immediately point the finger at the United States. The bottom line is that if these pests stayed in Mexico and did whatever they needed to do to get rid of jerks like Fox, Castaneda, and Ruffo Appel, they wouldn't be biting the dust in the desert.
19 posted on 08/31/2002 4:18:41 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: rintense
I hope so. This week there were 17 murders in Juarez which is right across the border. Fox is so busy boycotting the US for executing a drug importing cop murderer that he doesn't notice his country's crime is sky-rocketing out of control and his citizens are scared to death.
20 posted on 08/31/2002 4:26:38 PM PDT by FITZ
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