[Ben Bolt]

It is 1 point I dare say , and I most certainly am making a judgement on law enforcement . The very judgements that you are making . You trust them to exercise and take certain liberties with people's lives and I do not . It is still a judgement we both are making .

Yes they did know . They knew the tip was factual when the perp arrived . No resources ? Might be a reason to defend yourself when the police use you as bait without your permission or knowledge I would think .

Would you want the police in Arizona to use you in the fashion that the AR clerk was used I asked ?

[marajade]

"You trust them to exercise and take certain liberties with people's lives and I do not ."

Maybe the difference is because I've made my living working in law enforcement (support) for over 20 years and I can attest to the kind of job they do...

[FormerLurker]

Would you want the police in Arizona to use you in the fashion that the AR clerk was used I asked ?

I guess marajade wouldn't mind if the cops simply mopped up the mess after. According to marajade, that's what their job is. And of course, their lives are much more important than that of any mere civilian. We wouldn't want to put any police officer in harms way if we can put a civilian there instead...