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That's weird, I had at least three other paragraphs to my above post that didn't end up in the final post!

From my reading of scripture I would offer that Jesus doesn't condemn self defense and if you cannot see that Iraq poses a direct threat to the U.S and in fact all of Western Civilization with his proven connections to terrorist groups who hate America and have vowed to attack us, then I cannot persuade you further. Perhaps we are to remain in disagreement.

We are already in a HOT war with world-wide terrorism and Saddam, if he remains alive in power in Iraq, can and will export death and misery to this nation for we are the only real thing standing between him and world domination via control over Middle East oil. If he gets nukes, he will use them on Iran and Kuwait and then seek some way to destroy Israel, and he doesn't care how many Iraqis or Israelis are slaughtered in his quest. Perhaps that would be the onset of armageddon, but it is troubling that I do not find America in the final battle of Revelations. I don't want to risk Saddam aiding and abetting our demise.

Thanks for your exhaustive #134 and #139.

You are obviously making a concerted effort to justify War with Iraq on the basis of Facts which can be commensurated with Scripture. I respect that -- at least I respect the Scripturo-Centric Ethic.

This is a Regimen which is too often forgotten in the modern American "Church". We condemn the philosophy, "If it feels good, do it" -- but if we ever FAIL to appeal to Scripture for EVERY SINGLE political position we advocate, the we are just DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.

I love America... but America could come and go before I will consent to see the Church fail to appeal to Scripture Alone to justify every single Moral Position we advocate.

If we ever lose sight of Scripture -- if we ever appeal to "feelings" or "common sense" or "realpolitik" -- then we are just another False Religion.

God Forbid. For God will not be mocked.

Judgment Falls First Upon The House Of the Lord.

If our Judgment is not always and only founded upon Scripture Alone... then our Blood be on our own Heads.... and upon our Children.

Thanks for your exhaustive post. I disagree with some portions. I also think that other portions commensurate with "the_doc"s own Post on the subject of "Just War". And I wholeheartedly agree with you on some parts. ("Salman Pak" seems pretty damning to me, as I have said).

I'll respond in full when I respond to "the_doc". Thanks for your patience.