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To: MHGinTN; the_doc; RnMomof7; xzins
I commend you for your stand with the army opposing the slaughter of the little ones. as to the rest, I shall hold my peace. We are brothers of a differing opinion. My apologies for offending your beliefs.

You didn't offend my Beliefs. That woulda pissed me off.

You merely offended my Person. That's a pretty trivial thing, and is dispensed easily enough with a short, sharp rebuke (as was my intent).

Apology accepted. No harm, no foul.

As to "brothers of a differing opinion"... we are currently brethren of differing opinion -- not necessarily insurmountable differences.

As I said before, my position on War is simply that killing tens of thousands of human beings is generally a BAD THING. If a Christian is going to support such an atrocity, he better have a Good Reason.

And he better not be persuaded by jingoistic Propaganda; killing tens of thousand of people oughtta at least require the evidence of FACTS.

The Iraqi "Salman Pak" terrorist camp is the closest thing I have read to a "Good Reason" for War in the last 14 months. It's the closest thing to a Material Link to 9-11 which I have seen. IF entirely True (and it seems to be pretty well-evidenced, from what we have), it's the closest thing to a Materal Link between Hussein and Al-Queda "skyjacker" training.

I'm not opposed to the label "Anti-War". I generally AM. I generally think that a Christian SHOULD BE.

For me, it boils down to what I said -- if I am going to support the killing of Tens of Thousands of human beings, I wanna be able to look Jesus Christ in the eye and tell him why I have reason to support such a "necessary evil".

If I can't... then I can't support it.

116 posted on 03/12/2003 9:05:43 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy Servants; We have only done our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Salman Pak is not the only Al Qaeda Link with Iraq. They are numerous, they go back some time.

If you noticed in my earlier post, former CIA director Woolsey pointed out that an Iraqi journalist wrote 3 months BEFORE 9/11 that we would be hit.

A July 21, 2001 article in an Egyptian newspaper article headlined, "America, an Obsession with Osama bin Laden" indicated that Baghdad knew what was coming three months later, the former U.S. intelligence chief told the court. The report, written by an Iraqi, predicted bin Laden would target both New York City and the Pentagon.

Woolsey noted a line in the story that predicted bin Laden would "strike America on the arm that is already hurting," explaining that the phrase was likely a reference to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

Mix that with Salman Pak. It's a heady brew.

119 posted on 03/12/2003 9:18:47 PM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; mach.08; the_doc; SuziQ; GOPJ; xzins
Thank you for your gracious acceptance of my sincere apology. Since you've raised it, I shall try to put forward a few things of which I'm acquainted' regarding the nexus of Iraq and world-wide terrorism ... not trivial good reasons to be aggressive when dealing with a cancerous growth in the religion of Islam, Islamism, as in totalitarianism and forced obeisance to 'allah'.

In 1993, the WTC was attacked by persons connected not just to al Qeda but to the accessories from Iraq whom it is now certain helped to finance and train and provide with documents forged and covered through the invasion of Kuwait.

The planned hijacking plot for several airliners by an Iraqi connected terrorist group working in the Phillipines that never happened due to lucky intel and accidental disruptions.

Saddam and Usama's sons are close friends (Uday, I believe is the one who invited Usama's son to a birthday party in Iraq).

Salman Pak is well covered above, but note please the connection to the research and training with chem and bio weapons there and the defectors who've testified to al Qaeda members being trained there.

It is now known from defectors out of Iraq that Saddam sent persons from his secret police to Afghanistan, to train and equip al Qeda personnel in handling and producing bio and chem weapons, now connected to the planned use of chem weapons in London, thwarted by the Italian efforts.

Saddam tried to assassinate the previous President Bush in Kuwait.

Saddam has invaded two neighboring nations and used chemical weapons on the Iranis, weapons originally obtained through the Carter administration.

Saddam has murdered tens-of-thousands of his own Iraqi people, including moire than ten thousand Kurdish villagers, not Kurdish troops in rebellion.

There are dozens of al Qaeda now being harbored in Baghdad and Northern Iraq.

saddam pays the families of the suicide murderers assaulting the civilians of Israel.

Saddam sent scud missiles into Saudi Arabian and Israel, killing civilians as well as our troops there.

It is the espoused aim of Islamism to rule the world and Saddam has made speeches in which he fashions his image as a modern Islamic messiah ... and any student of history understand the peril in ignoring an Islamic man professing the desire to rule his known world and bring all non-Moslem people under the forced worship of allah or be put to the sword.

134 posted on 03/12/2003 9:46:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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