Kennewick Man is awarded to scientists

Seattle Times ^ | August 31, 2002 | Eran Karmon

[sarcasm]

ping

[nopardons]

Great and interesting news ! :-)

[patriciaruth]

Thanks for the update.

I remember an argument I had over at the ACLU forum a year and a half ago when I went there or a dare from an ACLU member who was trashing a Republican forum...where I said that giving the bones to the Indians amounted to an establishment of religion because it accepted the Indian religious belief that humans came out of the Earth several thousand years ago and that they did not originated from migration from Asia as most scientists believe.

[RLK]

The ruling by U.S. Magistrate John Jelderks is a victory for eight anthropologists who fought the federal government's attempts to turn the remains over to a coalition of five Northwest tribes who want to rebury the "Ancient One." "We hung in there because we think these ancient remains are very significant and very important to study," said Robson Bonnichsen, a professor of anthropology at Texas A&M University.

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Another ruling where servitude to public benefit trumps all else.

[LenS]

Wrong. The Indians were trying to distort history. They were trying to claim bones as their ancestor when they had no proof.

[Texas_Jarhead]

wow.. after all these years. it'll be interesting to see what comes out of the research

[blam]

Wonderful!!

"In all of the United States, there's only about eight skeletons of this age known."

...and they all are the Kennewick Man variety. There are no 'Native American' remains (as we know then today) that are older than 6,000 years old!

[blam]

Kennewick Man

Spirit Cave Man

[crystalk]

Great. Obviously the correct ruling. Now how do we get the context back up from the 500 tons of concrete that Clinton had poured over it, to "protect the artifacts" from being learned about!

That business about the Indian remains law, if anyone is interested, could be solved sensibly.

If remains date from within last 750 years, they are presumed Amerindian of continuing cultures and will be returned to the tribes BARRING some overwhelming public need.

If remains date from within last 1500 years, they are presumed to be of Amerindian race and will be returned to some tribes or other, again BARRING some overwhelming public need.

But, and this is key, if remains date to over 1500 years ago, they will be presumed to be of unknown race and origin, not connected with any current people, and subject to all scientific investigation as to what and who they might be.

BTW Even within the 1500 years, a suit could be brought contending the remains are European or Asian or African and (were it successful) the bones could escape the Native lockup.

[blam]

Rainforest Researchers Hit Paydirt (Farming 11K Years Ago In South America)

[crystalk]

Now maybe we can put some blue eyes and sandy hair on those models that were deliberately made and altered to make them look as close to Amerindians as possible!

Kennewick Man was almost Nordic in appearance, very Europoid.

Arguments from genes than he was "AINU" serve little purpose beyond asserting that he had come by way of Asia, eastward, not from Europe, westward.

All the Ainu label does, is kick the argument back into a discussion of who the Ainu were and where did THEY come from.

[dennisw]

Will be appealed. Are the "tribes" really squandering their own dough on this nonsense? Somehow I doubt it

[blam]

"Now how do we get the context back up from the 500 tons of concrete that Clinton had poured over it, to "protect the artifacts" from being learned about!"

James C. Chatters (who did most of the work on Kennewick Man), in his book Ancient Encounters, says that he thinks that KM fell into the water and was washed there anyway. Probably not much to learn from the site anyway.

[blam]

Who Was First?

[crystalk]

In a way, yes... he was doubtless buried, not just left on top of the ground to predators and scattering.

When water levels from dams began to eat away at the shoreline, his burial site which must have been immed on the Columbia's then north bank, would have eroded out...but probably he was within a matter of hundreds of feet, or yards, from where he was buried...

One reason so few Amerindian remains from very long ago are found, may be that they did not often go to the trouble to bury their dead.

But: if there was nothing there, why did govt go to such great expense and folly to pour all this concrete? They must have feared there was much there indeed, maybe even a whole cemetery or burial ground of KM-type caucasoids.

[blam]

Gotta run. I'm up early for an out of town trip for a funeral. Be back tonight.

[PLMerite]

Jean-Luc Picard!!!

[backhoe]

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[Moonmad27]

This is great news, and it's been too long in getting here. There was no proof except for preconceived ideas that Kennewick man "belonged" to this tribe or that. He, and other remains that are studied, may overthrow whole books' worth of theories, not to mention erroneous "traditions". The whole repatriation act needs to be overhauled -- if not thrown out completely. Indian remains are not the only ones in museums or under study.