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To: 2sheep; PhilDragoo; Mrs Maher; Michael Maher
"The question you need to ask in these cases is: Did the suspect produce anything in that statement that the cops didn't already know? If not, you have to wonder."

This is a compelling statement.

It is my opinion that any man or woman can be broken when in custody and will sign false confessions, assuming the state is so inclined, evil and corrupt to do so.

I saw bits and pieces of this story last night on TV. Too bad it gets only 5 minutes air time.

5 posted on 08/28/2002 8:36:41 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
It is my opinion that any man or woman can be broken when in custody and will sign false confessions, assuming the state is so inclined, evil and corrupt to do so.

Fred, Monaco police held Ted Maher for three days in four-point restraint, catheterized, sleep-deprived, threatened with the torture and strip-searching and indefinite detention of his wife, and unspecified harm to their children, until he signed their prepared false confession in French which he does not read, write or speak.

I was given the Stockdale, In Love and War, by my step-son, an otherly-surnamed graduate of the USNA Class of '94, and in it I believe the Admiral states we all broke; the point was to immediately begin resisting again.

The business of coercing confessions is sheer evil.

16 posted on 08/28/2002 9:27:45 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Fred Mertz
>>It is my opinion that any man or woman can be broken when in custody and will sign false confessions, assuming the state is so inclined, evil and corrupt to do so.

The Bible indicates that in times of great persecution, true believers who are the "overcomers" loved not their lives unto death so they didn't misstate their beliefs but rather went to their graves holding them.  Those who didn't overcome can be broken.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Re 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Because it is extremely important what we say, it would be a good time to bone up on  Fox's Book of Martyrs by John Foxe.   It is not light reading, but is important in light of the death culture taking over the world which calls good evil and evil good.  There are many prophecies in which enemies are requiring Christians to "deny Christ."  If you squeeze fruit, you find out what is inside.  That may just be a picture of Tribulation as it brings what is inside each person.

26 posted on 08/28/2002 10:11:32 PM PDT by 2sheep
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