Are The 'Son Of Sam' Killers Still Out There, Or Is It Just A Conspiracy Theory

WABC News ^ | August 12, 2002 | WABC

[Destro]

The background on this story (a good scary read if true):

Ultimate Evil: The Truth about the Cult Murders: Son of Sam and Beyond

SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL "Death-worshipping church" or apocalyptic prophets? GARY LACHMAN investigates the Process Church of the Final Judgement, a Sixties movement with a far-reaching influence.

The Family: The Story of Charles Manson's Dune Buggy Attack Battalion

[PoorMuttly]

I have known a lot of people who also bought .44 Specials then...because they now knew that there were people around like HIM! The Charter Arms Bulldog .44 became very popular then, and got people talking about if they were really prepared to defend themselves against a lethal attack at all.

So it was good for something, anyway. Most people here in Fun City believed him when he spoke of accomplices...or like-minded individuals involved with him. I'm glad that this is being brought up. FR rules!

[I still care]

I read a book about this, but I don't remember if it was Ultimate Evil. It might have been. Anyway, supposedly the reason there were no more killings is that these brutal people all ended up dead. The two other main killers were found viciously slain just a short time later. There were lots of photos and enough evidence was presented so that it seemed fairly credible to me. Berkowitz readily admitted he killed several people, but he was basically the "fall guy".

He also claims (and his record seems to show) that he became a Christian, turned his life around, and asked forgiveness from the families he wronged. He also said he deserves to be forever in jail for his crimes.

[BlessingInDisguise]

Really? I always thought that it was a .44 magnum that he used not a .44 special....

[PoorMuttly]

Definitely the Special. They called it a "manstopper," which is why he said he used it. In theory, it doesn't have enough velocity to exit as easily as the magnum, so dumps all the energy it's got into the "target." That's what was so creepy about it all...he seemed to be smart, and made good murderous decisions. He even had a cheap Thompson-type semiauto rifle, in .45ACP. Bet he didn't know that brand tended to go full auto if loaded with that miserable S&W target ammo they made then. At the time, it was recommended that if you use the stuff, you throw in a regular Hardball round once in a while, just in case it suddenly needed slowing down.

[operation clinton cleanup]

But those with a personal stake in the 'Son of Sam' case would like to see a new investigation.

Maybe the death penalty would put an end to this.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I had heard some time ago that one partner in the crimes was Robert Maplethorpe, the infamous photographer.

I think Berkowitz had explained that Maplethorpe wanted to photograph the acts of people being murdered to go along with his fisting pictures.

Anybody else remember that?

[BlessingInDisguise]

That's interesting. I wonder why I always thought that Son of Sam used a Dirty Harry gun?

[Born on the Storm King]

Gee thanx, JimRob is actually letting us try to solve a crime that has been officially solved by the state! I hope I don't get kicked off of the site if I try to speculate too much! Some Bushbot or Powerboy may call me a tinfoil hat-type, whatever the hell that means!

The Family is a great book! It is one of the two long books I ever read at one sitting---it took me 20 hours! Vincent Bugliosi's Helter Skelter is interesting also, but Ed Sanders had excellent insight into the Hippie culture. Hippieism died in me after that dastardly day in 1969.

I was dating a girl in Brooklyn at the time of the Son of Sam murders---one of them took place just blocks away from where she lived under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge in New York Harbor.

I haven't posted on FR for a long time. I believe JimRob and the moderators are on a witch hunt for crimintel types like me. When I investigate a case, I WANT ACCESS TO ALL THE FACTS AND POSSIBLE SPECULATIONS THAT I CAN GET AHOLD OF! The tin foil types think tinfoilers believe all speculation. I always hated these people while I was a criminal investigator---yeh, we have them there too!

My resume speaks for itself (click on my name.) In that case, if I had kept my mouth shut like a good Power Boy lackey, the murderers would be running loose today! From day #2 to year #15 (the murderers were finally sentenced on November 10, 2001,) I stuck to the same theory regardless of what the tin foil hat accusers said!

Uh, duh, what happened 911?

[operation clinton cleanup]

I was dating a girl in Brooklyn at the time of the Son of Sam murders---one of them took place just blocks away from where she lived under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge in New York Harbor.

Your girlfriend lived under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge?

[Born on the Storm King]

Yeh, the gate to Fort Hamilton was about a half a block away. The stanchions(?) for the bridge were right there on the harbor shore.

[operation clinton cleanup]

Do you have connections with NYPD? I was stationed in GDR in the late 70's. Did you know coney?

[operation clinton cleanup]

Come on Bosk... throw me a bone here. I cant solve this thing on my own.

[Liberty Ship]

While you guys are thinking about it, I think there is ample evidence that Wayne Williams was not responsible, or at least not exclusively responsible, for "The Atlanta Child Murders." They might map to the same networks.

That being said, this is dangerous stuff on three levels. One, inspite of overwhelming circumstantial evidence, the public want these cases wrapped up neatly, as they have been. Two, there is a termendous bureaucratic/judicial investment involved and if anyone says that "the emporer has no clothes," he is a threat to the status quo and, thus, a "person of interest." And, Three, if these cases were, in fact, not actually solved, the perpetrators are still out there!

[Fithal the Wise]

as I vaguely recall there was an older man, a mentor, living near Berkowitz in Yonkers that looked like a good candidate for a vey close look. I think he moved to Arizona right after the arrest.

[Kermit]

"Your girlfriend lived under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge?"

She was a troll.;^)

[martin gibson]

Wayne Williams was not responsible, or at least not exclusively responsible, for "The Atlanta Child Murders."

Yes. Of Course. It was really the KKK.

I know this for a fact because I saw it on a televised docu-drama.

I think we can all agree that the Wayne Williams is the real victime here.

[Destro]

The Book the "Ultimate Sin" (linked above) does not implicate the KKK but rather the Son Of Sam group which the book claims is an offshoot of the Process church (see above link), which also influenced the Manson Family directly or indirectly.

[Destro]

The book "The Ultimate Sin" does suggest that.

[I still care]

Supposedly it was the old mans sons that were the accomplice murderers. I think they both died, at least one did. He was horribly murdered.