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Mob beheads nun in Bagdad
UPI | 8/27/02 | UWE SIEMON-NETTO

Posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:54 PM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Aug 27, 2002 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A nun belonging to Iraq's Christian minority that still speaks a dialect of Aramaic, the language of Jesus, was found beheaded in Baghdad, the U.S.-based Chaldean News Agency reported Tuesday.

CNA blamed "Muslim terrorists" for this murder of Sister Cecilia Hanna, 70. According to this wire service of Iraq's Christian exiles, she "was knifed down savagely and her head was severed from the rest of her body by a group of thugs while she was staying in the Chaldean monastery located in Palestine Street in Baghdad."

When asked about this report, a State Department spokeswoman told United Press International Tuesday, "We are not aware of this case."

Shortly after the start of the U.S. war on terrorism, Albert Yelda, a London-based Iraqi opposition leader, had warned that Iraq's ancient Christian community would be made a whipping boy for this conflict.

Yelda told UPI at the time that Iraq's Christians "no longer dare to wear their traditional crosses. They are being called crusaders. They do not receive food rations. They are being told, 'Ask the Americans to feed you. You have no business being here.'"

In an interview, Bishop Ibrahim N. Ibrahim of the Chaldean Church's Eastern diocese in the U.S. referred UPI to the CNA story Tuesday but denied that Christians in Iraq were being singled out for persecution.

However, CNA now ranks Sister Cecilia Hanna among the long line of martyrs in present-day Iraq, whose Christians are the descendants of one of the oldest known civilizations -- Mesopotamia. Collectively, these Christians are known of Assyrians.

Assyians say they were the first nation to adopt Christianity as state religion in 179 AD, more than 100 years before Armenia, which prides itself with being the first Christianized country. The Assyrians also claim were the ones to have built the first Christian churches and to have been the first to translate the New Testament from Greek into their vernacular, which still resembles the language of Christ.

The Chaldean Church, to which the murdered Sacred Heart of Jesus nun belonged, is in union with the Vatican and has approximately one million members, half of whom still live in Iraq, while the rest is spread around the world, Bishop Ibrahim said.

Another 300,000 to 500,000 Assyrian Christians belong to the venerable Church of the East. This denomination was once condemned as heretical because it followed the teachings of Nestorius, the 5th-century bishop of Constantinople, who taught that the Virgin Mary was not the "theodokos," or mother of God, but simply the mother of Jesus Christ.

Nestorian missionaries were the first the reach Mongolia, China and Japan in the 8th century. However, in the 16th century, a segment of the Nestorian Church recognized the Pope and united with Rome, which persecuted the remaining Nestorians for centuries, especially in India.

"Today, our two churches are very close," Bishop Ibrahim said. While not in full communion, they practice Eucharistic hospitality under certain circumstances. In other words, they commune each other's members if they have no church of their own denomination to go to.

"Our liturgies are very similar," Ibrahim explained. "Assyrian services consist of 99 percent liturgy with lots of incense," Yelda said. The difference is that while the Chaldeans allow icons in their churches, the Nestorian sanctuaries are as stark as synagogues. But for a simple cross above the altar, nothing adorns them.

There are other parallels between the Nestorians and the Jews as well. Nestorians call their priest "rabi" (teacher), and like orthodox Jews they eschew mixed marriages. "We want to preserve a Christian people in our country," Yelda explained.

While Bishop Ibrahim allowed that "Christians like all others suffer from the turmoil in Iraq, but are not targeted for persecution," the Chaldean News Service accused Saddam Hussein's government of appeasing "the rising tide of Muslim fanaticism."

This movement, it said, "has at its final goal not only the murder or the complete subjugation of non-Muslims but all those who do not measure up to its doctrine of terror and hatred."

According to Albert Yelda, Saddam Hussein, too, has set out to destroy the venerable Assyrian culture, "not out of any Muslim convictions but because, like every tyrant, he hates minorities."

Yelda described how Saddam had banned the Assyrians' cultural clubs, where their literary language was kept alive. "Saddam had hundreds of Assyrian villages razed, including recently a 2nd-century church."

Yelda also accused Saddam's son, Uday, of raping and killing an Assyrian woman and then making this act public knowledge.

As for the repression of Iraqi Christians in the name of Islam, Yelda said it ran counter the stated wish of the Prophet Mohammed, who was so impressed by the Assyrians' knowledge of medicine and sciences that he issued a Firman, or letter of protection, for them.

The Firman disappeared without trace over 150 years ago.

By UWE SIEMON-NETTO, UPI Religion Correspondent

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.






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To: baseballfanjm; Aliska
So these "men" came storming in and slaughtered this innocent woman? She's a 70 year old nun for crying out loud! They aren't men. They are insects. On their own they are weak and can be crushed easily, but in groups they wreak havoc and attack those unsuspecting and innocent and who can't fight back. They are lower than insects. They're the lowest form of matter on this planet.

Nicely put into focus. Brutally beheading an old woman, who could be no threat to anyone is not the act of a human being. Homo Sapiens perhaps, merely by an accident of biology, but not human. In this regard I tend to agree with Frank Herbert's vision that perhaps "humanity" is something that must ultimately be established, not taken for granted. These are merely parasites. Vermin.

With apologies to sympathizers like Aliska... the sad fact is that there will only be peace when these vermin are gone from the face of the Earth. And please all: note that this is not hate. We need hate no one, but we can hate ideas, we can hate acts, and we can hate evil. We must and we do. Watch us.

161 posted on 08/28/2002 12:49:32 AM PDT by Ramius
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To: kattracks

162 posted on 08/28/2002 12:54:08 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: dennisw; OKCSubmariner; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ...
CNA blamed "Muslim terrorists" for this murder of Sister Cecilia Hanna, 70. According to this wire service of Iraq's Christian exiles, she "was knifed down savagely and her head was severed from the rest of her body by a group of thugs while she was staying in the Chaldean monastery located in Palestine Street in Baghdad."

Religion of peace and tolerance-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.
163 posted on 08/28/2002 3:35:01 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Senator Pardek
I am Catholic too, and no one can blame me for not speaking out against islam!
164 posted on 08/28/2002 3:49:13 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: kattracks
Fascinating.
Learn something every day.
165 posted on 08/28/2002 3:54:17 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Senator Pardek
I find that Protestants at FR are quite aware that Islam exists to wipe out Christianity, yet Catholic Freepers more or less ignore this fact, because it's an ugly one.

I do hope that you are making a distinction between the official Vatican position and Catholics like me.
I have been ouspoken since Sept. of 2001.
It really only requires casual knowledge of history from the 7th to the 16th centuries.

166 posted on 08/28/2002 3:58:53 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: knighthawk
Islam's motto: "First we kill the Saturday people (the Jews), then we kill the Sunday people (the Christians)."
167 posted on 08/28/2002 4:05:24 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Senator Pardek
I thought it was the Unitarians trying to wipe out Christianity... ;o)
168 posted on 08/28/2002 4:05:39 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: AAABEST
DEUS LO VOLT!
169 posted on 08/28/2002 4:07:39 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Bobby777
This is quite simple, really.

Jesus is God, eternally begotten of the Father. (You yourself admit this)

Jesus is also a human.

Jesus was ONE person possessing two natures- one completely human, one completely divine. Mary was his mother upon earth. To say that Mary is simply the Mother of Jesus the human is to divide Jesus into two seperate people, in a sort of loose unity. That is what the Nestorian heresy did, and it is what you do by implication by denying Mary the title "Mother of God". The title is meant not to grant Mary an honor, but rather to defend the doctrine that Jesus Christ is one person with two natures. It defends the notion that the person Mary gave birth to really was God, not just a human.

The doctrine that considers Mary the Mother of God does not refer at all to Mary being the CREATOR of Jesus. No Catholic teaches that Mary existed prior to Jesus. Rather, we bear witness to the fact that the one that Mary bore within her womb and gave birth to was in fact God. The doctrine is saying more about Christ than about Mary, really.

Also remember that it would be improper to speak of Mary as simply "the mother of Christ's human nature". No mother is the mother of a "nature"- mothers are mothers of PEOPLE- of persons.

170 posted on 08/28/2002 4:20:52 AM PDT by MWS
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To: Barnacle
Like you, I remember 11 years ago. I have posted it before, but the American Spectator ran an article about the boys school in Kuwait where the Iraqis castrated all the students. At that time (before Waco), I didn't recognize propaganda and got really fired up.
171 posted on 08/28/2002 4:24:22 AM PDT by jammer
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To: kattracks
All the more reason to invade Iraq.
172 posted on 08/28/2002 4:27:15 AM PDT by RightWinger
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To: kattracks
A 70 year old nun ? I mean, c'mon !
173 posted on 08/28/2002 4:39:25 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: kattracks
Ah yes, our esteemed State Department, perceiving only evil in America while our enemies are invisible.
174 posted on 08/28/2002 4:41:26 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Senator Pardek
This is merely an observation. As a non-Christian, I find that Protestants at FR are quite aware that Islam exists to wipe out Christianity, yet Catholic Freepers more or less ignore this fact, because it's an ugly one.

I am Catholic, and my feelings about Islam cannot be discussed in polite company. Let's just say it involves turning Mecca into a radioactive slag heap.

Regards, Ivan

175 posted on 08/28/2002 4:44:32 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: kattracks
Horrifying. Well, if we needed a reason to make Iraq bleed, here is as good a one as any.

Regards, Ivan

176 posted on 08/28/2002 4:45:27 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: kattracks
Every time support Iraq has a chance, he does something dumb.
177 posted on 08/28/2002 4:49:44 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: JMJ333
May God bless and keep her close to Him.

A true Christian martyr!

178 posted on 08/28/2002 4:59:08 AM PDT by elcaudillo
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To: Senator Pardek
As a non-Christian, I find that Protestants at FR are quite aware that Islam exists to wipe out Christianity, yet Catholic Freepers more or less ignore this fact, because it's an ugly one.

Yeah - I know I'm generalizing - I don't need to be reminded.

This eclipses mere generalization and enters the realm of nonsense.

179 posted on 08/28/2002 5:07:04 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Senator Pardek
Islam exists to wipe out ALL that is not Islam.
180 posted on 08/28/2002 5:08:51 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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