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Mob beheads nun in Bagdad
UPI | 8/27/02 | UWE SIEMON-NETTO

Posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:54 PM PDT by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Aug 27, 2002 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A nun belonging to Iraq's Christian minority that still speaks a dialect of Aramaic, the language of Jesus, was found beheaded in Baghdad, the U.S.-based Chaldean News Agency reported Tuesday.

CNA blamed "Muslim terrorists" for this murder of Sister Cecilia Hanna, 70. According to this wire service of Iraq's Christian exiles, she "was knifed down savagely and her head was severed from the rest of her body by a group of thugs while she was staying in the Chaldean monastery located in Palestine Street in Baghdad."

When asked about this report, a State Department spokeswoman told United Press International Tuesday, "We are not aware of this case."

Shortly after the start of the U.S. war on terrorism, Albert Yelda, a London-based Iraqi opposition leader, had warned that Iraq's ancient Christian community would be made a whipping boy for this conflict.

Yelda told UPI at the time that Iraq's Christians "no longer dare to wear their traditional crosses. They are being called crusaders. They do not receive food rations. They are being told, 'Ask the Americans to feed you. You have no business being here.'"

In an interview, Bishop Ibrahim N. Ibrahim of the Chaldean Church's Eastern diocese in the U.S. referred UPI to the CNA story Tuesday but denied that Christians in Iraq were being singled out for persecution.

However, CNA now ranks Sister Cecilia Hanna among the long line of martyrs in present-day Iraq, whose Christians are the descendants of one of the oldest known civilizations -- Mesopotamia. Collectively, these Christians are known of Assyrians.

Assyians say they were the first nation to adopt Christianity as state religion in 179 AD, more than 100 years before Armenia, which prides itself with being the first Christianized country. The Assyrians also claim were the ones to have built the first Christian churches and to have been the first to translate the New Testament from Greek into their vernacular, which still resembles the language of Christ.

The Chaldean Church, to which the murdered Sacred Heart of Jesus nun belonged, is in union with the Vatican and has approximately one million members, half of whom still live in Iraq, while the rest is spread around the world, Bishop Ibrahim said.

Another 300,000 to 500,000 Assyrian Christians belong to the venerable Church of the East. This denomination was once condemned as heretical because it followed the teachings of Nestorius, the 5th-century bishop of Constantinople, who taught that the Virgin Mary was not the "theodokos," or mother of God, but simply the mother of Jesus Christ.

Nestorian missionaries were the first the reach Mongolia, China and Japan in the 8th century. However, in the 16th century, a segment of the Nestorian Church recognized the Pope and united with Rome, which persecuted the remaining Nestorians for centuries, especially in India.

"Today, our two churches are very close," Bishop Ibrahim said. While not in full communion, they practice Eucharistic hospitality under certain circumstances. In other words, they commune each other's members if they have no church of their own denomination to go to.

"Our liturgies are very similar," Ibrahim explained. "Assyrian services consist of 99 percent liturgy with lots of incense," Yelda said. The difference is that while the Chaldeans allow icons in their churches, the Nestorian sanctuaries are as stark as synagogues. But for a simple cross above the altar, nothing adorns them.

There are other parallels between the Nestorians and the Jews as well. Nestorians call their priest "rabi" (teacher), and like orthodox Jews they eschew mixed marriages. "We want to preserve a Christian people in our country," Yelda explained.

While Bishop Ibrahim allowed that "Christians like all others suffer from the turmoil in Iraq, but are not targeted for persecution," the Chaldean News Service accused Saddam Hussein's government of appeasing "the rising tide of Muslim fanaticism."

This movement, it said, "has at its final goal not only the murder or the complete subjugation of non-Muslims but all those who do not measure up to its doctrine of terror and hatred."

According to Albert Yelda, Saddam Hussein, too, has set out to destroy the venerable Assyrian culture, "not out of any Muslim convictions but because, like every tyrant, he hates minorities."

Yelda described how Saddam had banned the Assyrians' cultural clubs, where their literary language was kept alive. "Saddam had hundreds of Assyrian villages razed, including recently a 2nd-century church."

Yelda also accused Saddam's son, Uday, of raping and killing an Assyrian woman and then making this act public knowledge.

As for the repression of Iraqi Christians in the name of Islam, Yelda said it ran counter the stated wish of the Prophet Mohammed, who was so impressed by the Assyrians' knowledge of medicine and sciences that he issued a Firman, or letter of protection, for them.

The Firman disappeared without trace over 150 years ago.

By UWE SIEMON-NETTO, UPI Religion Correspondent

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.






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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
I saw the post by goldenstategirl which made the same point. Nice job! I didn't think to quote Luther, et al. Oh well, it gave me a chance to link my Newman thread anyway. heh
141 posted on 08/27/2002 9:49:18 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: dsutah
you know that's not a fair statement ... I'm taking the total view of Scripture and there is no other point than that ...
142 posted on 08/27/2002 9:51:33 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw His Glory, the Glory as it were of the Only Begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

exactly my point ... nothing more ... nothing less ... "was made" i.e. "became" ...

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
143 posted on 08/27/2002 9:55:07 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Fred Mertz; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; Crazymonarch; babylonian; Avoiding_Sulla; happygrl; ...
>our doctine and training teaches us to love our fellow man. Turn the other cheek and all that.  Have you ever seen a cornered rabbit? That's me if and when it comes to that.

Not a lot of them.  I think they strike with their claws and bite.  What did you mean?

The Christian doctrine is not pacificist.  Yeshua said, Buy a sword.  In other wars in America, everyone would be preparing and training and arming themselves and so on, and the government would be doing the same and locking up those of the same mindset as the ones who started the war.  My concern at this point is that the globalists are denying one has the right to defend onself (a lie), and are aiming to disarm America and are at the same time bringing in the Islamic hordes, arming the Palestinians, and taking the wrong side.  If Americans are disarmed, I see a blood bath ahead, a Holocaust II for Christians, Jews and conservatives.  Look at Zimbabwe.  This is a war started by the unholy against the holy.

144 posted on 08/27/2002 10:00:43 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Bobby777
Perhaps you dislike Luke 1:35?
"The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefor the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.",
and Gal 4:4?
"But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons."
145 posted on 08/27/2002 10:02:26 PM PDT by G Larry
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To: G Larry
dislike? ... please use the Scripture fairly ...

even Jeremiah is told by God that He knew Jeremiah *BEFORE* he was formed in his (Jermiah's) mother's womb ...

The Scripture clearly teaches Jesus' perpetual existence before His human form was formed in Mary's womb ... ain't complicated ... unless you're trying to prove that Jesus never existed until then ... and that's contrary to Scripture no matter how you spin it ...
146 posted on 08/27/2002 10:08:26 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: 2sheep
What did you mean?

I meant that I'm ready.

147 posted on 08/27/2002 10:21:17 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Bobby777
The point sailed over your head and your linguistic literalism has tripped you up over the word made while you casually dismiss begotten. Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Jesus is God. Mary is the Mother of God. Jesus has two natures, divine and human, but He is one Divine Person. Denying that means denying the Incarnation. When the eternal Son of God became man, He assumed a human nature. He was begotten, not made. The only way your position is tenable is if you reject the Trinity and if that's the case then you aren't a Christian.

Matthew 1:23 "Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

148 posted on 08/27/2002 10:25:28 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
didn't sail over my head my friend ... your post is laughable ... you know clearly that you're oversimplifying the issue while I'm showing the Scripture that proves Jesus' existence prior to His human birth ... that means Mary didn't "create" God ... now you can spin it any way you want or you can admit that Jesus existed prior to His human birth and Mary was the chosen vessel to bring Him to us in human form ... what's the problem with admitting that? ... Jesus is at the right hand of God ...

and by the way, you're not the final authority on who is and who isn't a Christian ... good grief ...
149 posted on 08/27/2002 10:31:07 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Is it unfair to quote Scripture which disproves your point?

God always was, with no begining and no end.

Yet for our Salvation, the Son of God was born of woman, as noted in the cited Scripture.

That human birth would make Mary His mother, unless you're
familiar with a language or a biology that denies the connection.
150 posted on 08/27/2002 10:33:09 PM PDT by G Larry
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To: G Larry
disproves what? ... you imply Scripture contradicts itself ... once, simply ... did Jesus or did Jesus not exist prior to His human "birth"? ... if you choose to ignore the other Scriptures on the subject it is you that are misusing Scripture ... by natural "birth" no one is claiming Jesus wasn't "born" to Mary ... but if you pretend the Scripture doesn't show His perpetual existence then you're denying Scripture ... and those that I have posted prove that ... you have done nothing more than prove that Mary was considered Jesus' *Earthly* mother ...
151 posted on 08/27/2002 10:37:21 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: JMJ333
So these "men" came storming in and slaughtered this innocent woman? She's a 70 year old nun for crying out loud! They aren't men. They are insects. On their own they are weak and can be crushed easily, but in groups they wreak havoc and attack those unsuspecting and innocent and who can't fight back. They are lower than insects. They're the lowest form of matter on this planet.
152 posted on 08/27/2002 10:38:35 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: Bobby777
you have done nothing more than prove that Mary was considered Jesus' *Earthly* mother ...

which by the way, I agree with ... (haven't ever said that I didn't) ...
153 posted on 08/27/2002 10:41:35 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
good night folks ... I probably won't change your beliefs and you certainly won't change mine ... but the Apostle Paul warns not to argue to disputings ... so I will let the issue rest for now ...
154 posted on 08/27/2002 10:47:20 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Senator Pardek
Your power of observation could use a tune up...This Catholic is painfully aware of the goal of radical Islam and I have yet to read a post on FR by a Catholic indicating ignorance as you mention.
155 posted on 08/27/2002 11:10:01 PM PDT by in the Arena
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To: Aliska
I don't believe they all want to kill us. Sorry. It may come down to what you want, but until then, I will hold out for a better way. We have already killed scores of them. It hasn't done much good. Looks like we're fixin' to kill scores more, and I doubt it will do much good in the long haul.

I'm sure it's nice on your home planet. Here on Earth we tend to be somewhat more realistic, which you'll find out after you observe for a little longer. Stay tuned.

The good thing for us is that muslim extremists have given us their playbook. It's called the Koran. It reads like The Godfather, only somewhat more brutal, and The Godfather wasn't about world domination. Check it out sometime.

156 posted on 08/27/2002 11:12:18 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: kattracks
CNA blamed "Muslim terrorists" for this murder of Sister Cecilia Hanna, 70. According to this wire service of Iraq's Christian exiles, she "was knifed down savagely and her head was severed from the rest of her body by a group of thugs while she was staying in the Chaldean monastery located in Palestine Street in Baghdad."

I suppose I can get reassurance from the fact that Islam isn't a violent religion; I hate to see what's in store in case they decide to go 'violent'.

157 posted on 08/28/2002 12:22:28 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: neutrino
I wonder why the media never, ever reports on stories like this one??? This is what should be discussed in social studies, and not the sugar coated "religion of peace" bullshit!!!
158 posted on 08/28/2002 12:24:37 AM PDT by Terridan
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To: Terridan
I wonder why the media never, ever reports on stories like this one???

I dunno, because the media is controlled by leftists, who have no compunction towards killing, who have no restraints towards killing ideological enemies? Just a wild guess here.

159 posted on 08/28/2002 12:33:05 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Terridan
....hey, maybe the liberals exibit a 'closet' kind of admiration for their 'new found' friends. Maybe it's 'old found'...........maybe it's always been that way. Maybe they just can't resist an ideologue who will kill somebody for the 'common good'. Take a nice close look at your newspaper at who the liberal 'heroes' are.
160 posted on 08/28/2002 12:39:17 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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