Jews For Jesus

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[HiTech RedNeck]

The Nazarenes have been slandered like this for 2000 years.

[Nachum]

The Nazarenes have been slandered like this for 2000 years.

Except for the times that they murdered and pillaged during the various pogroms, expulsions, burnings, crusades, inquisitions, blood libels, and holocosts.

[zarf]

Anyone for "Idiots for Islam"?

[onedoug]

Ethical Monotheism

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh yes, and innuendoed too.

[LarryLied]

People drift in and out of faith and faiths. Known many who were in very intense and, frankly, annoying religious groups.Everyone of them came out of it and grew from the experience. Freedom is always best. Let people be exposed to it all. Laws prohibiting the free exercise of faith are destructive to the human soul.

[Bobby777]

Except for the times that they murdered and pillaged during the various pogroms, expulsions, burnings, crusades, inquisitions, blood libels, and holocosts.

not by the New Testament they didn't ... now if you meant that name of Christianity was misused for some of the above things, well then, you have a valid point ...

[HiTech RedNeck]

Sounds like someone might have a grudge?

[Bonaparte]

Good ol' Russia. Some things never change. Still need a permit from the local politburo to talk to others about Jesus.

[Bobby777]

maybe so ... there have been many emporers down through the years that used the name of Christianity for little more than to amass Earthly kingdoms ... for that I don't have a problem if somebody gripes about it ...

[Seti 1]

Good ol' Russia. Some things never change. Still need a permit from the local politburo to talk to others about Jesus

Not only Russia. Don't try preaching on any street corners in the Middle East.

[Seti 1]

Or if you don't like monotheism there is always:

http://www.netjer.org/newgallery/

[ZULU]

The attitude of some Jewish leaders towards "Jews for Jesus" borders on the Inquistorial. In essence, trying to convert somebody to your religious faith is sort of like selling a car. Abridging the right to freely advertise your "product", in this case your religious beliefs, is contrary to all standards of civilized western society and abridgement of free speech.

As long long as the vendor (missionary) doesn't make a pest of him/herself by continuing to try to sell his product to an unwilling listener, and as long as no force is employed, what's the big deal?

If some Jews are so concerned about this, why don't THEY try to proselytize Christians and stop acting like a bunch of cryto-fascist crybabies?

[onedoug]

No thanks. Polytheism promotes competing moralities.

[Seti 1]

If some Jews are so concerned about this, why don't THEY try to proselytize Christians

Jews don't proselytize. You have to be born of a Jewish mother to be a Jew. People can be converted but they need a good reason (marrying a Jew is one). It's very reluctantly done and only by the non-Orthodox (is that correct?). If I'm not mistaken, a converted Jew cannot be married to a born Jew in Israel.

I'd be interested in a discussion of this by someone who knows the facts.

[LostTribe]

>You have to be born of a Jewish mother to be a Jew.

That is merely a man-made rule, and has nothing to do with tracing legitimate Jewish roots back to ~500 BC or so.

[Michael2001]

Other countries have still not caught up to our Founding Fathers...

[Michael2001]

Jews don't proselytize. You have to be born of a Jewish mother to be a Jew. People can be converted but they need a good reason (marrying a Jew is one). It's very reluctantly done and only by the non-Orthodox (is that correct?). If I'm not mistaken, a converted Jew cannot be married to a born Jew in Israel.

I'm not Jewish, but I know it is possible to convert since it occured in the OT (Ruth). I'm paging two guys who should know a lot more about this than me

[Alouette]

I know it is possible to convert since it occured in the OT (Ruth).

Of course it is possible to convert, I know many people who have done so. Jews do not actively seek converts, but they will accept converts who are sincere in their beliefs. Seti is always looking for opportunities to complain about the Jews.

Conversion is a very meticulous procedure designed to guarantee that the convert is sincere in his or her convictions and is prepared to fulfill all the requirements of the Torah. A full conversion requires the initiate to accept upon himself or herself all the laws commanded in the Torah, and prove their intentions by living as a Jew for at least a year. This is followed by circumcision (for men) and immersion in a mikvah (ritual bath) for men and women.

Non-Orthodox organizations do not follow this procedure, nor do they require applicants to observe all the commandments, therefore their "conversions" are not valid and they remain non-Jews.

The "Jews For Jesus" organization has been around for many years. They are a Christian missionary society which especially targets Jews. They used to be called the "Society for Meliorating the Condition of the Jews" and during the 19th century manage to snag about one or two converts a year, mainly by paying them money to join. Jews find this society particularly annoying because of their tactics of deception. I have no problem with sincere Christians witnessing their faith as long as they are upfront about it, and I enjoy a good discussion of prophecy and scriptures, but it really ticks me off when people misrepresent themselves. There are so many unsaved gentiles in the world, why focus all their energies and attention on the Jews? Is a converted Jew worth more points?

I don't think Christians would be too happy with people presenting themselves as "Christians for Allah" trying to persuade other Christians that the only way to be "saved" is through Mohammed and the Koran.