N.Y. Shows Black Market Cigarettes

AP Online via COMTEX ^ | Aug 26, 2002 | ERIN McCLAM

[SheLion]

You'd think the Liberals-turned-Republicans would have more to worry about, but no. The beat goes on.

That picture hit me right in the face....

Well, you have it right. There is so much more in this world to worry about and fear, yet the anti's have their teeth sunk so deep into the smoker they can't see straight.

The anti-smokers are like a pack of wild dogs with their fangs deep into the smoker. They have tunnel vision and a one track mind.

[SheLion]

And as soon as they open those slots in PA, Delaware will tank - because they just banned smoking at the slots here.

Ahh......November, Gabz. And the Holidays coming. Ever give a party and no one came? That will be Delaware come the Holidays.

[Jaidyn]

Thanks for the info. I just ordered six cartons of Winston for $84 but am still interested in making my own. Maybe I'll even learn how to grow my own tobacco for a hobby!

[Dec31,1999]

bump.

[Gabz]

Both my husband and I were RJR product smokers - he was winston or Camel and I was Salem.

The brand of tobacco we use is "61" We like it just fine.

[Gabz]

You got that right, SL.

Restaurants are already talking about the cancellation of holiday parties that were booked last year.

The folks are moving them to the Moose, Elks, VFW and Fire Halls which are allowed to permit smoking during private functions..

Bars and restaurants in Delaware are not permitted to close to the public for private functions.

[SheLion]

Several people in here already grow their own tobacco. But I have no idea what all is required. I know you need a kiln to dry it. We live so far north and our summers are so short, I just hope it never comes to that for us.

[SheLion]

Bars and restaurants in Delaware are not permitted to close to the public for private functions.

Delaware is like Little Vegas. Pity the special interest groups are going to run it into the ground.

Hey, we never hear anything about Atlantic City, NJ. I hear they smoke there and are raking in the money with their slots and casinos. How far are you from Atlantic City?

[gcruse]

" Standing behind a chest-high pile of more than 237,000 seized
cigarettes...
                   ...worth billions of dollars on the street,
                   city officials declared a major victory
                   in the tobacco battles, a wholly-owned
                   subsidiary of the War on Some Drugs
                   so eagerly supported by Americans everywhere."

[Gabz]

Not far from AC at all.

An hour from the state line at the bridge, if that long.

And the casinos at the West Virginia race tracks are even closer for the folks coming here from Maryland every day.

As an aside - to tell you how good no smoking is for business. I noticed a restaurant today that has been closed. They'd only been open 6 months and were non-smoking. 6 cars was the most I ever saw in their parking lot. The place across the stret which got new owners about the same time still permits smoking. Their parking lot is always full. I drive past both a minimum of once a day, so I know what I'm talking about.

Further proof of the lies of the antis and why they have to have their "level" playing fields. and the sheeple fall for it.

[altair]

The cigarettes typically sell at auction for about $10 a carton, and the pile seized in the crackdown will earn the city nearly $14,000, said Martha Stark, the city finance commissioner.

Gee. $14,000. I wonder how much they paid the officers who performed the seizures over that period.

[Poser]

Here in New Hampshire, we make a very large portion of our state tax revenues by selling cigarettes and booze for low prices. People from all over the northeast, especially Massachusetts have created a huge industry of convenience stores on the border. Single packs (major brands)can be had for about $2.50 and cartons are in the $22-$25 range. Cheapo butts are still under $20 in some locations.

The state owns the liquor stores and places them in the southbound rest stops near the border with Mass. A fifth of Bacardi is about $8.

We don't have can deposits, so our other beverages sell as well.

All of this makes it possible for our state to have no income tax or sales tax. (Paying legislators a salary of $100 a year helps too)

[altair]

I think making it illegal is an end goal. The gradual restriction of places where one is allowed to smoke is going on world-wide. It's currently political suicide to try it now, but wait until all the kids who have been indoctrinated in public schools reach voting age ...

[Dec31,1999]

The place across the stret which got new owners about the same time still permits smoking. Their parking lot is always full. I drive past both a minimum of once a day, so I know what I'm talking about.

Yes, but once they are all non-smoking, it will even out.

[Max McGarrity]

Yes, but once they are all non-smoking, it will even out.

Level playing field = take away all other choices.

Problem is, it doesn't work because a whole lot of smokers just don't go out anymore, and every one of those smokers has family and friends who stay home with them. The only people who believe smoking bans don't hurt business are anti-smokers whose business is smoking bans.

[altair]

You are aware, I trust, that that graphic is based on reality? See this URL.

In Nazi Germany, for instance, abstinence from tobacco was a "national socialist duty" (Hitler gave a gold watch to associates who quit the habit, though this didn't stop them lighting up in the Berlin bunker once they heard the Fuhrer had committed suicide).

[SheLion]

Problem is, it doesn't work because a whole lot of smokers just don't go out anymore, and every one of those smokers has family and friends who stay home with them. The only people who believe smoking bans don't hurt business are anti-smokers whose business is smoking bans.

Exactly, Max. There are only three places left up here where we can go and eat and enjoy a drink, that has a smoking section. If and when those sections are ever removed, our house and yard will really come in handy.

Non-Smokers ask us "why don't you just run outside for a quick cigarette." I say "Why should we spend our money on recreation when we can't enjoy ourselves?" It's our money we are spending when we go out. It's not a MEETING. It's recreation. Nope. We refuse to spend our money for recreation where we cannot relax and smoke.