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To: EBUCK
Is there any data to back this up? Not that I don't think it's really happening but it would be a lot easier to "prove" that gun control only serves to create victims if we had hard numbers from sources other than Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia.

I ran ran a search ... The extremely accurate and truly non-partisan Urban Legends Reference Pages has MA href="http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/ausguns.htm">decided the Chenel letter is false, not because they have proof Chenel doesn't exist or that he's a flat-out liar, but instead bases much of its decision on the reasoning that a) all stats can be skewed, as we all know, b) that so few Australians owned guns anyway in the first place (due to no 2nd Amendment-style law ever existing there) that it skews the results, and c) you need a long-term analysis of this sort of data to truly determine the effect, not just one year's data.

So really, they're not saying he's absolutely wrong, just more that neither Chenel or anyone else has enough information yet to make a truly accurate determination of the effects of the gun bans.

29 posted on 08/26/2002 3:47:14 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: EBUCK
Whoops, correct URL here:

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/ausguns.htm
30 posted on 08/26/2002 3:49:34 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
..that so few Australians owned guns anyway in the first place (due to no 2nd Amendment-style law ever existing there) that it skews the results...

Wow. Interesting, that snopes would get it so wrong. Just in my little state of New South Wales, there's over one million guns formally registered, with perhaps half as many again unregistered, depending on who you're talking to. More details available at The Sporting Shooter's Association.

34 posted on 08/26/2002 4:21:55 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Timesink
The extremely accurate and truly non-partisan Urban Legends Reference Pages

ROTFLMAO.

Snopes is almost as much of a joke as the urban legends they try to debunk. I have seen too many ULs they have called false only to read the associated reasoning to find the facts either support no conclusion or the opposite conclusion.

42 posted on 08/27/2002 5:23:16 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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