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To: MissAmericanPie
What "notions" the leaders of other nations have are meaningless, and to place blame on Bush for Fox's crap is a distortion.

Fidel says that Gore rightfully won the elections, and Bush stole them, are we to give George the heave-ho, and give the reigns of State to its rightful heir...Albert Gore?

No, most of us don't give a damn about what other nations think, unless it promotes our agenda.

I say that the anti-immigration crowd give Fox more gravitas than he actually has.

As far as NAFTA, it's a law, it was ratified by Congress, it pertains to "free trade", and it's supposed to allow trucking both ways, as long as all regulatory measures are met. It provides a free trade zone for our goods, and brings back competitively priced goods to our citizens. How is that a relegation of our sovereignty?

Let's examine that "old America" that you long for.

In that "old America" of our founders, people traveled and traded openly and unrestricted all over this hemisphere.

Is that the "old America" that you long for? Or do you advocate an America with closed borders, and the US Armed Forces watching them?

Is that an "old America"?
155 posted on 08/27/2002 9:53:01 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"What "notions" the leaders of other nations have are meaningless, and to place blame on Bush for Fox's crap is a distortion."

Oh, your saying Bush doesn't encourage Fox's "crap"? Seems to me he whole heartedly agrees with it. Or didn't he mean it when he said, "If you make 5 bucks a day in your homeland of Mexico and can make 50 bucks a day in New Jersey, your going to come, aren't you?" sly smile at the crowd.

Yes, I long for the "old America" where giants of men like George Washington warned us against becoming involved in entangling treaties that would threaten our sovereignty. When a body, agency, of appointed men can fine the USofA and demand that we open our borders to Mexican trucks and act against our own best interest, our sovereignty is in the toilette.

When an out of control court like the ICC can tell, not only the USofA, but the United Nations that founded it, to go take a flying leap we are under their jurisdiction like it or not, our sovereignty is in the toilette.

If you think for one minute that Mexican, Chilian, Argentine truck drivers are not going to move to the USofA illegally, along with their entire families then I don't know what world you live in. As for "free trade" all trade seems to be one way, we import more than we export and that is not going to change with NAFTA. The goods and services we are able to export are already at their max potential, and our savings on imported goods are at their max potential, we have nothing to gain and everything to lose with NAFTA.

There is nothing wrong with the "old America" that it should be supplanted by the "new America". The "new America" is a pig in a poke. And yes Luis, given that terrorists can import anything from nukes to tootpicks across our borders I do want troops on them. I do want the flood of illegals stopped dead in it's tracks, these potential voters and welfare recipients can go home and stay there.

162 posted on 08/27/2002 11:11:33 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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