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Posted on 08/24/2002 2:37:20 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
Given that the illegal invasion in California and much of the country has come from our neighbor to the south, and being the Mexicans are considered "Hispanic", I think that it is only fair to show general graphic displays of the invasion.
For the following pictures, you will need to know what each color represents. Thus,, here is the key.
1990
Beige 0.0%-16.6% Hispanic
Yellow 16.7%-33.2% Hispanic
Green-Yellow- 33.4%-53.0% Hispanic
Olive Green- 53.3%-75.2% Hispanic
Forest Green- 75.5%-100.0% Hispanic
2000
Beige 0.0%-18.5% Hispanic
Yellow 18.6%-36.2% Hispanic
Green-Yellow 36.3%-55.6% Hispanic
Olive Green 55.7%-76.4% Hispanic
Forest Green 76.4%-98.4% Hispanic
Check out the size and scope of the invasion as it has manifested itself over the years in the LA area, and compare each LA area from 1990 to 2000.
LA Central 1990
LA Central 2000
LA East 1990
LA East 2000
LA Southeast 1990
LA Southeast 2000
LA North 1990
LA North 2000
LA West/Far West 1990
LA West/Far West 2000
Given that the numbers are slightly differentiating, the contrast between 1990 and 2000 is somewhat weakened. However, despite the number variation, the contrasts can clearly be seen.
It's b.s.
I'm on the fence about national ID cards, I see pros and cons.
But one thing that's griped me about the approach to a lot of things, post-9/11, is that citizens are burdened while non-citizens are coddled.
In wartime, I expect to make some sacrifices. But I'm troubled that some of these sacrifices appear to be permanent. This indicates to me an inadequate goal for the outcome of the war, which should only be the unconditional surrender of our adversary. With unconditional surrender, the threat ends.
If the sacrifices are permanent, then it seems the threat is expected to be so as well.
But let's say we accept the permanent sacrifices, even if so much of it is dog and poney stuff for public consumption, like "airport security." Why are we still allowing people from Arab Moslem nations to come to the United States? Why haven't we asked any Arab Moslem non-citizens to leave? If searching for terror cels is like looking for needles in haystacks, what's wrong with smaller haystacks? Aren't we at war?
By the same token, if we're gonna talk about a national ID card as a means of dealing with Illegal immigration, I want to see some good faith enforcement of our immigration laws first. I also want to see the outlawing of alternative ID, such as matricular consular cards being issued by Mexico. I want it to be illegal for banks to give accounts or States to give drivers' licenses to anyone without national ID. Even those mesures are likely to have unintended consequences, but I need to see them on the table before I can discuss the issue.
Deal with the Illegals and non-citizens before burdening Americans.
I think you need your head examined. I assume by posting this to me you are accusing me of calling the moderator. Well, you'd be wrong.
Not that it matters but you should starp on a pair and apologise to everybody you falsely accused.
By the way, what would qualify me to be in the "True Patriot" club?
666 posted on 8/25/02 9:41 AM Pacific/b> by jwalsh07
Not that I claim to know the answer, but methinks that unfortunate post # is gonna make it an uphill battle for you.
It's rather interesting to observe how your loopy mind works. Instead of being concerned about the FACT that even the INS and US Census Bureau have no idea of how many millions of illegal aliens live in the U.S., you take the ludicrous tack of using this lack of information as some kind of Alice In Wonderland defense for doing nothing about illegal immigration. This line of reasoning is hard to fathom. It's like you in effect use the gross incompetence of the INS and our nation's lack of immigration control as a rationale for not talking about the illegal immigration Elephant standing in our living room.
Well, perhaps the "Oh we just can't get a handle on this problem, so what can we do" excuse is a Beltway favorite for ignoring the crisis of illegal immigration but it ain't gonna sell in the heartland.
Tell me, does a police officer need to know how many bank robbers live in his town before he can arrest one much less talk about the problem of bank robberies?
You are a case study in irrational thought.
With the ID, there are regular checkpoints at banks, airports, rental car agencies, workplaces, drivers license bureaus, county welfare agencies, traffic stops etc. that will eventually ferret out those lacking verifiable and authentic proof citizenship. I don't think the card need be used to buy groceries or get a beer at the corner tavern, but if someone wants the things that are needed to put down roots ... housing, auto purchase, banking, medical care from the County General, transportation etc ... that's a filtering process that is not onerous to our citizenry.
There's no clean solution. I don't want a card, just because it'll probably mean two days sitting in queue for the sea slug/civil servant to process the paperwork for each of us in a glacial stupor. I want to find those murderous Islamist bastards, and the card may have more benefit in that endeavor. I don't worry about some central state cell monitoring and assesing my every movements. They can't conduct surveilance on 200 missing but active payroll Americore volunteers who have been incommunacado since '97. I envision unobtrusive check points built into normal commercial transactions we conduct every day, and for which we often have to pull out the old license anyway.
I just want everybody present and accounted for.
As I am not an uncompassionate person, I want you to struggle no more...
Rather than use brute force, Soviet style, we simply apply the principles of leverage, judo, or asymmetric warfare, and accomplish what needs to be done with minimal exertion.
I see the end of ad hominem is imminent, and peace is at hand.
Are all parties agreed?
Get out of my head, man! Warlock.
This is a perfect time you to share your detailed understanding of the issue.I knew if I bided my time, you'd reveal that you're a Zombie.
How can I resist that? I saved something for you...
Illegals in AMERICA
About 5.0 million undocumented immigrants were residing in the United States in October 1996, with a range of about 4.6 to 5.4 million (See Table 1, from the DoJ). The population was estimated to be growing by about 275,000 each year, which is about 25,000 lower than the annual level of growth estimated by the INS in 1994.
INS LINKLet's call it 5 million Illegals in 1996.
The INS estimates there are now six million illegal residents, but acknowledges that the number may be significantly higher. Researchers working with the 2000 Census results believe the illegal alien population may be as large as eleven million, and Census Bureau officials agree that official estimate is too low. Since the 1986 amnesty wiped the slate clean for the bulk of the illegal alien population, the far larger illegal alien problem today is testimony to the fact that the 1986 amnesty weakened our ability to discourage illegal immigration.
Noremoreamnesty.com LINKSo there were 6 million Illegals in 2000, up from 5 million in 1996, right? But…
A new report by the U.S. Census Bureau that puts the number of "unauthorized and quasi-legal" immigrants in the United States at about 8.7 million - double the previous decade's number - has spurred calls by immigration reform groups for tighter immigration controls.
"While we have long cautioned the U.S. government about its immigration policies, we were not aware of the magnitude of foreign nationals living here illegally," Mauro Mujica, chairman of U.S. English, a citizens' action group that advocates a crackdown on illegal immigration, said in a statement.
"Quasi-legal" immigrants, which number 1.7 million, are people who have applied for asylum or refugee status or who were granted "temporary protected status" by the U.S. government because their home countries have been hit by earthquakes or other natural disasters.
Lawrence Morahan, CNSNews.com
Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2002
News Max LINK8.7 million - 1.7 million "quasi-legal" immigrants = 7 million Illegals, based on the Census Bureau's revised numbers. Make that "the illegal alien population in 2000." There are certainly more Illegals now.
How many? Hard to say, but take a look at this…
The Immigration and Naturalization Service had figured the number of illegal aliens as 6 million. Scholars at Boston's Northeastern University are now suggesting that the actual number might run as high as 13 million.
News Max LINKIllegals in CALIFORNIA
California has a total population of about 35 million.
Census 2000 LINK
California is the leading state of residence, with 2.0 million, or 40 percent of the undocumented population. The 7 states with the largest estimated numbers of undocumented immigrants--California (2.0 million), Texas (700,000), New York (540,000), Florida (350,000), Illinois (290,000), New Jersey (135,000), and Arizona (115,000)--accounted for 83 percent of the total population in October 1996.
The 5.0 million undocumented immigrants made up about 1.9 percent of the total U.S. population, with the highest percentages in California, the District of Columbia, and Texas. In the majority of states, undocumented residents comprise less than 1 percent of the population.
INS LINKIllegals in L.A. County
Los Angeles County has a total population of about 10 million.
Census 2000 LINK
In Los Angeles County alone, providing for some 700,000 illegal immigrants costs county taxpayers $308.4 million, assuming that the aliens paid some $36.2 million in local taxes and fees for services they used.
Rep. Elton Gallegly, before the House - 3/10/1993That's 700,000 Illegals in L.A. county back in 1993… gotta be more now, no?
…California, home to an estimated 2.25 million of the nation's 5.75 million undocumented immigrants, including 1 million in Los Angeles County.
Los Angeles Daily News, April 12, 2002Keep in mind, those are unrevised Census 2000 numbers, which are 50% to 100% low nationally. That would give California as many as 3.5 million to 4.5 million Illegals, and L.A. County 1.5 million to 2 million. We may have nearly as many Illegals in California as you have people in Minnesota, and we've definitely got more Illegals in L.A. County than you have people in the Twin Cities…
Illegals in MINNESOTA
Minnesorta has a total population of about 5 million.
Census 2000 LINK
Summary Demographic State Data (and Source) Population (2001 Census Bureau est.): 4,972,294 Population (2000 Census): 4,919,479 Foreign-born Population (2000 Census): 260,463 Share Foreign-born (2000): 5.3% Immigrant Stock (2000 CB est.): 500,000 Share Immigrant Stock (2000 est.): 10.2% Naturalized U.S. Citizens (2000 Census): 95,308 Share Naturalized (2000): 37.4% Legal Immigrant Admission (INS 1991-2000): 75,779 Refugee Admission (2001 HHS): 3,232 Illegal Alien Population (1996 INS est.): 7,200 Projected Population - 2025 (2001 FAIR): 6,594,000 The Census Bureau estimated that in July 2001 Minnesota's population was 4,972,294 residents. That was an increase of about 52,800 persons (1.1%) since the 2000 Census…
The INS estimates that in October 1996 there were 7,200 illegal aliens resident in Minnesota. This estimate is about 25% higher than the INS estimate of illegal workers in the state in October 1992. The Center for Immigration Studies, estimates the number of illegal alien residents in the state to be as high as 25,000, based on the number of illegal aliens resident there when the amnesty for illegal aliens was enacted in 1986.
The 2000 Census found over six million more residents in the country than expected. Researchers at Northeastern Univ. say that the likely explanation of the discrepancy is a much higher number of illegal aliens residing in the country than the six million estimated by the INS. Minnesota's population in the 2000 Census was about 95,000 higher than expected, and if most of the difference is due to illegal immigrants, that could mean as many as 62,000 more than estimated by the INS.
LINKSo we go from 7,200 llegals in 1996 to 25,000 or possibly 87,000 Illegals in Minnesota by 2000. Not even 2% of your State's population.
The INS St. Paul District estimates conservatively that 25,000 Illegal aliens reside in Minnesota. More recently, a report from H.A.C.E.R. (Hispanic Advocacy and Community Empowerment through Research) estimates that there are between 18,000 and 48,000 undocumented Hispanic workers. (pg. 6)
PDF LINKSo what we're looking at is a population of Illegals in Minnesota somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000… 0.5% to 1% of your population, maybe a bit more. Contrast that with 10% or more Illegals in California's population, and approaching 15% in L.A. County.
In light of the details, do you find them to be at variance with my understanding or personal observations of the mater of Illegal Aliens?
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He was taking the last load of his move to Sierra Vista, Arizona.
Quote from his mail out:
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Do you always substitute flames for reasoned responses? It's quite apparent that the above irrelevant response is your Fufkin Way of answering to arguments you can't rationally defend. I see this quite often with posters that lack the intellect to respond in any other way.
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