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A Dieter's Dilemma (Atkin's diet)
The New York Times Magazine ^ | 08/25/2002 | JASON EPSTEIN

Posted on 08/23/2002 5:07:58 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Mad Dawgg
Yepper, Mad dawgg. You got it.
121 posted on 08/26/2002 1:19:55 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: DentsRun
I don't believe they've proven that eggs give you cholesterol. Cholesterol is formed in your body, not by something you stuff in your mouth. Junk science at work again.
122 posted on 08/26/2002 1:25:48 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: DentsRun
Thirty pounds in two months is impressive. I'd be happy with a pound a month. But what did you eat?

For me about 70lbs three years ago in about six months.

Breakfast usually centered around eggs and bacon or sausage, vary the eggs between hard boiled, deviled, scrambled, and fried. Also pre-cooked sausage that you microwave was a big help in busy mornings.

Lunch is easy with any kind of Chef salad, or grilled chicken, or tuna salad or McDonald's or BK Whopper (just don't eat the bun, order two to make up for no fries). Buffets are wonderful. Eat a salad and then practically any meat on the buffet along with green beans as your veggie.

Dinner is usually easy as well as you can have any meat with salad, green beans, etc. Buy a carb guide book, it's surprising how many items are low carb.

Snacks are peanuts, walnuts, pork rinds, etc. Again map out your carb intake throughout the day and you can find a fairly good variety of foods besides the meat.

And yes, occasionally you cheat with a donut or piece of pizza.

123 posted on 08/26/2002 1:31:39 PM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: Trust but Verify
Well, I didn't realize that the Atkins diet 'cured' indigestion

I've done a low-carb diet twice. When I'm off it, a bottle of Maalox is my constant companion. On it, I never need an antacid. Two reasons for this I think: 1) The carbs cause acid reflux and 2) I lose so many inches due to weight loss that my pants fit loosely.

Currently, I've lost 11 pounds (170 to 159) since July 18. All I've really done is cut out sugar, starches, and white flour.

Also, I have been exercising more. But the key there is I feel like exercising. No more ups and downs. No nodding away at my desk.

The reason I ended up getting off it before is I lost the weight I wanted to and I started back on the carbs. It's a slippery slope, to be sure.

124 posted on 08/26/2002 1:36:23 PM PDT by Henk
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To: Marysecretary
Mary,
those thorocentesis sessions can be a bummer. The last one I assisted with got almost 4 liters out. I told the patient before hand he wouldn't like the needle , and aftr the first deep breath he didn't care.
125 posted on 08/26/2002 1:55:33 PM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: AmusedBystander
Breakfast usually centered around eggs and bacon or sausage, vary the eggs between hard boiled, deviled, scrambled, and fried. Also pre-cooked sausage that you microwave was a big help in busy mornings.

Do you eat any fruit? I've been operating on the assumption that for the last couple of million years man has eaten a paleolithic diet--meat, fish, vegetables, fruit--and that's what we should eat today (and forget grass seed--wheat). But when I eat a peach or piece of canteloupe my blood sugar goes bananas. If fruit was one of the things that humans evolved on, I wonder why I can't eat it now. Do you eat apples, oranges, peaches, melons, grapes, plums?

126 posted on 08/26/2002 2:26:58 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: DentsRun
Do you eat apples, oranges, peaches, melons, grapes, plums?

Not while you are on Atkins, initially.

You need to look upon his diet as a corrective measure, like wearing a cast until your broken arm heals.

Once you have lost the weight that you need to lose, you must change your poor habits that brought you to Atkins in the first place.

Eating in moderation and avoiding empty calorie foods as much as you can, exercise as you can, etc. You can then usually expand your diet to include more fruits and vegetables or become a calorie counter. Either way, Atkins is a good start for us to drop the weight quickly and feel more confidence in our ability to change our bad habits. But as always, the weight will come back if you fall back into bad habits.

127 posted on 08/26/2002 2:42:39 PM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: Senator Pardek
Judging from the responses, I'd say you're right. I guess the fact that I lost more than 100 lbs without resorting to abusing my body by changing its natural chemical balance is just a fluke. Not that I care what they think.
128 posted on 08/26/2002 2:44:13 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Henk
I used to eat Tums every night before bed due to indigestion when I was fat. Now I only take them when I think of it as a calcium supplement. I haven't had indigestion since I lost all the weight.
129 posted on 08/26/2002 2:47:21 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: DentsRun
I usually keep fresh strawberries in frig.Two or three make a great snack.I eat fresh tomatoes they are supposed to be the nearest to a perfect food there is (more nutrition than calories).
130 posted on 08/26/2002 3:00:41 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Senator Pardek
You can hardly call this a fad.Dr.Atkins published his first book about 1977.This is really very similar to a Diabetic diet .The difference is you don't drive yourself crazy trying to measure your food and make sure you get a little of this and a lttle of that.But then if everyone used this the so called nutritionist would be out of work and the Doctors would be amputating less body parts for frustrated older people who can't stay on the bland diets they have been told to stay on(no sugar,no salt,no fat NO TASTE)
131 posted on 08/26/2002 3:08:22 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Senator Pardek
The Atkins Diet lovers are on a short trip to the coronary units of hospitals where they will experience the joy of stent or worse, the violent implantation of veins for heart arteries--all in exchange of major money. Heart docs and hospitals love the Atkins Diet!

Brilliant Apple lovers will continue in the truth and thrive as their computers actually work without fail. PC lovers will continue their incessant, masochistic complaints about crashes, freezes, viruses and burns of their eternally malfunctioning PCs. According to the Euroweenies, PCs do make good road fill when ground down to granules.

132 posted on 08/26/2002 3:15:16 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Paulus Invictus
The Atkins Diet lovers are on a short trip to the coronary units of hospitals where they will experience the joy of stent or worse, the violent implantation of veins for heart arteries--all in exchange of major money. Heart docs and hospitals love the Atkins Diet!

Really? Any evidence to back that up? Thought not...

133 posted on 08/26/2002 4:53:54 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Senator Pardek
You're wasting your time with the Atkins Cult - it's akin to arguing with Scientologists.

LOL...is that what you're left with? Why are you on this website, if this is you're level of intellectual analysis most of the topics here will be way over your head.

134 posted on 08/26/2002 4:55:21 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Paulus Invictus
The Atkins Diet lovers are on a short trip to the coronary units of hospitals where they will experience the joy of stent or worse, the violent implantation of veins for heart arteries--all in exchange of major money. Heart docs and hospitals love the Atkins Diet!

And where are you getting this nonsense? From the same doctors who don't know jack-sh*t about nutrition, who insist that cutting calories is the only way to lose weight.

There's a great deal of evidence that heart disease is largely genetic.

Anyway, those of us who have lost weight on Atkins, who have more energy on Atkins, who feel better than they ever have have made up our minds.

If you want to eat pig food (corn, grains, potatoes), go right ahead. Atkins flies in the face of conventional wisdom (fat makes you fat), and old habits die hard.

Now, the dam is breaking on the phony food pyramid. It takes a big man to admit when he's WRONG; all I see around here are dwarves.

135 posted on 08/26/2002 5:19:51 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ppaul
Eating over a dozen eggs every week, and my cholesterol actually went down!

Eggs have gotten a bad rap, which recent studies are fortunately reversing. Yes, they are quite high in saturated fat, but for some reason, they don't seem to have the impact on cholesterol that was once thought (provided you don't fry them in a stick of butter and slather them with melted cheddar). And they are one of the best food-sources of bio-available protein you can find.

My only caveat is that different people metabolize fats and cholesterol differently, and one should always monitor the health effects of any major shift in eating habits. There is no one-size-fits-all solution (for instance, lean people who exercise a lot do need good carbs in addition to protein, especially after exercise, so that their body has energy reserves it can use to replenish itself without heavily catabolizing its protein reserves, a situation that hinders performance and increases recovery time. But this formula certainly doesn't apply to an overweight sedentary person, where the carbs would end up unused. In fact, there's even a difference between what a bodybuiler trying to build mass needs as opposed to, say, what a long-distance cyclist needs. Moral: there is no diet that is exactly right for everyone and every lifestyle, except that if your diet consists solely of cheesecake and vodka, you will probably die prematurely).

136 posted on 08/26/2002 5:24:59 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
...if this is you're level of intellectual analysis most of the topics here will be way over your head.

I'm really gonna take advice from folks who believe in "carb addiction". Just as "sex addiction" is really promiscuity, "carb addiction" is simply lack of will power and laziness.

It's no coincidence that the healthiest in our society don't follows that Atkins silliness.

You wanna lose weight, forget about ketosis and its side effects - just get off your fat caboose and exercise.

Sure, Atkins helps one lose weight fast, but so does heroin.

137 posted on 08/26/2002 5:29:14 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
Exactly. Now factor in a far more physical lifestyle (like about 1 billion bike riders), a little favorable genetics and viola! An entire continent of thin people. Regards.
138 posted on 08/26/2002 5:34:09 PM PDT by diode
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To: Senator Pardek
It's no coincidence that the healthiest in our society don't follows that Atkins silliness.

Senator, you've been told over and over and over that athletes who exercise intensely need carbohydrates for energy. "Carbo-loading" is common for marathon runners a couple of days before the race.

For the 90% of Americans who do not sweat til they drop, carbs turn into sugar, which turns into fat. This is incontrovertible.

The evidence is building against you. More and more, even in the medical community, are advising against over-indulging in starchy carbs. Atkins' followers simply amplify that advice, cut them out completely for some period of time until they're down to their desired weight.

This is simply the old "Diabetic diet" on steroids.

There is such a thing as "carb addiction," because there is a sugar addiction. You can dismiss that, but the science is irrefuteable.

139 posted on 08/26/2002 5:42:54 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Paulus Invictus
"Atkins Diet lovers are on a short trip to the coronary units"

"Brilliant Apple lovers will continue in the truth "

The above are great quotes that added greatly to this discussion and hopefully Mr. Paulus is eating his Apple right now.

To those who came late the Apple means a computer BUT we are talking Atkins diet here.

Sadly, this poster condemns without ever trying anything Atkins or a PC and uses data that is biased and outdated.

I proved to myself that Atkins works in 1974 and my PC hasn't shut down since windows in 1992.

140 posted on 08/26/2002 5:49:20 PM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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