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To: Ford Fairlane
I personally carry a HK USP as primary weapon, a Sig 239 as backup #1 (both with Hirtenberger FL +P+ Police ammo), a Walther PP Super 9x18 as backup #2 and a 7.65 PP as backup #3.

Of these the only one that jams is the PP, if you feed it cheap hollowpoints.

Before 1994 the primary weapon was a Walther P1, backup #1 was a P4 - I switched because the P38 line doesn't like to feed all hollowpoints (but they do like the FL ammo - it was designed for it) and you don't always know what ammo you will be able to get.

Try the Federal 9BP 115-grain load [#16 in the display below] or the Remington 115-grain RNJHP [#4 below] for use in a P.38 or aluminum-framed P.1, long a favourite of mine, though usually taking a backseat to the Browning GP I've carried and used since 1969. You'll likely find that it's not the hollowpoint configuration itself, but the overall length of the loaded round, that's critical in feeding in a P.38 or PP, and a PPK is even fussier, possibly because of the greater magazine spring pressure from its 1-round-shorter magazine.

I had a little PP in 7,65 that was one of the most accurate of it's breed I've ever had, and let it go to a fellow newspaperman facing death threats, who practiced and practiced with it and became extremely good with it, the only firearm he owned at the time. At least it went to good hands, but I've often wondered if it had been tuned, and if so, by whom and using what methods. I replaced it for my own purposes with another plain-jane Makarov, whose safety at least works the way I prefer.

Various 9mm projectiles performance compared in ballistic gelatin here:

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56 posted on 08/24/2002 8:48:56 AM PDT by archy
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To: archy
I have had good luck with the Federal 9BP. That was my ammo of choice until I came across the Hirtenberger FL.

The FL is specially designed, it is a 100 grain truncated cone with an exposed soft point and a very thin jacket. It comes out at 1400 fps, if it hits a solid object (like a block wall) it will splatter & not ricochet. It will penetrate 12" in flesh & mushrooms like a hollow point. If it his bone, it fragments & does serious damage. If it hits soft body armor, it partially mushrooms & the thin jacket acts just like a hole punch & cuts right thru until hitting flesh, then it finished mushrooming.

Wicked stuff, as long as I can get it I will use it. No sense in carrying a gun or ammo for self defence unless you use the best you can get, in my opinion.

I agree with your opinion of the accuracy of the 7.65 PP. Mine is very good, and my PP Super (9mm ultra) is the most accurate pistol I own. I am not what you would call an expert shot, but in an indoor range I get groups the size of a nickel if I try.

What I love about my 7.65 PP is I can carry concealed it easily, even in the summer when I am only wearing a pair of shorts. Mine is stainless, so I can carry it in a fly holster & not worry about sweat ruining it.

74 posted on 08/24/2002 6:36:26 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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