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Evidence in JonBenet's Slaying Case Appears to Discount an Intruder
Associated Press ^ | August 23, 2002 | Katherine Vogt

Posted on 08/23/2002 2:05:38 PM PDT by gcruse

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To: RedWhiteBlue
I've always had the feeling that the Ramsey's know excactly who killed JonBenet but are protecting the person, and my guess is that it was the brother and it was an accident
21 posted on 08/23/2002 5:32:30 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
With all due respects, the girl was sexually assaulted in a most brutal manner. Burke was only 9 at the time and described as frail.
22 posted on 08/23/2002 5:44:08 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: BillaryBeGone; gcruse
<< Can you say "dysfunctional family", boys and girls? >>

No.

But how does "projection" take your fancy?

[For how on Earth do you otherwise explain coming up with such bizare speculation!]
23 posted on 08/23/2002 5:45:09 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: RedWhiteBlue
Naah. A sexually sadistic pedophile killed her.

Patsy is only culpable in the sense that she had blinders on about child pageants. The bread and butter of those has always been the tapes, sold to pedophiles - the same creeps who get memberships on "little Amber, child model"'s website used to buy these instead.

The matching DNA in the panties and fingernails is the best evidence. Eventually, there will be a match with a perp in some other case that solves the crime.

At least, after this summer, no one is going to argue again that her parents would have heard the intruder.

24 posted on 08/23/2002 5:47:23 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: gcruse
On April 9, Steve Thomas, one of the former lead detectives in the Ramsey case, also stepped into the media arena when he appeared on ABC's Good Morning America saying he believed that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note. Thomas, who had previously resigned in protest to what he called the “lack of aggressive prosecution of the case,” was appearing on the show to promote his own book on the case called JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation.

During the interview, Thomas described how out of 73 suspects whose writing samples were analyzed by experts in comparison with the note, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who could not be excluded as its author. He also accused Patsy Ramsey of changing her handwriting after the murder. "In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lowercase manuscript a was used, I think, 98 percent of the time," he said. "What was telling was that after the Ramseys were given a copy of the ransom note, the lowercase manuscript a almost disappeared entirely from Patsy's post-homicide writing. Writing samples from Ramseys' personal letters and notes she wrote before the killing contain 732 manuscript a's that look like the lowercase typewritten a, but they are written by hand. She switched to a cursive a after the murder.”

Another point that Thomas made was that the ransom note was signed "S.B.T.C." which allegedly stands for what the note described as "a small foreign faction" that had kidnapped JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom. Thomas indicated that this fact also pointed to Patsy Ramsey as she often used acronyms. He cited a Christmas note to a friend that was signed "P.P.R.B.S.J.," which she said stood for “Patsy Paugh Ramsey, Bachelor of Science in Journalism.” He also said the tear pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad, and the felt-tip pen used to write the note matched a pen found in a cup in the Ramseys' kitchen.

25 posted on 08/23/2002 5:54:30 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Joe 6-pack
That is a truly disgusting theory. Am I completely naive? Would parents actually do that to their children?
26 posted on 08/23/2002 6:01:07 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: dighton; Orual; general_re
What the quotation doesn't mention is that Foster ID'd Joe Klein as Anonymous (not that one!) and played a role other cases.

I found his book quite interesting.

27 posted on 08/23/2002 6:01:57 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: PhilDragoo
But the FBI said no way? I have googled for the FBI report and found nothing. I wonder if is was the same agent who faked all those dna tests.
28 posted on 08/23/2002 6:29:53 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
If a family member did it (and I believe they did), the mother is responsible - and here's why. A husband might stay with a woman who killed her child under some circumstances, but a woman would NEVER stay with a man who killed her child under any circumstances.

My 2¢.

29 posted on 08/23/2002 7:05:11 PM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
As good a reason as any.
30 posted on 08/23/2002 7:07:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Anybody that does not think the Ramseys are at blame should at least give former Detective Steve Thomas's book JonBenet a shot. I have read both Mr. Thomas's book and the Ramsey family's rebuttal (The Death of Innocence), and I have firmly concluded that Patsy Ramsey killed her daughter. I have a very hard time thinking that a mother can do such a thing, but I have to follow the facts.
31 posted on 08/23/2002 9:33:29 PM PDT by panther33
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To: MAWG
Why don't all you guys just accept the fact that the brother was playing doctor and things went wrong...and he accidentally killed her. Mom cleaned up the mess. And life goes on. Thats the sad story. We cannot bring JonBenet back, but we can just let the family continue to try to function and survive. Its the American dream.
32 posted on 08/23/2002 9:40:15 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: panther33
Did the mother also sexually assault the girl.
33 posted on 08/24/2002 7:32:00 AM PDT by MAWG
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To: panther33
Autopsy indicated that Jonbenet was still alive when the ligature marks on her neck took her life. Tell me and convince me that Patsy did this, you morons! The blow to the head was post-mortem.
34 posted on 08/24/2002 4:29:49 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: MAWG
No, the mother did not sexually assault the girl.

Autopsy indicated that Jonbenet was still alive when the ligature marks on her neck took her life. Tell me and convince me that Patsy did this, you morons! The blow to the head was post-mortem.

Okay, well then answer this question: The duct tape placed over JonBenet's mouth shows an excellent print of her lips, but doesn't show a bulge in the middle where any live person would have placed their tongue. She was not alive when that tape was placed over her mouth; the tape was therefore placed to cover up something else.

Also, the cords wrapped around JonBenet's hands were very loosely tied. They were obviously not used to restrain a live person, but rather to appear like they were (Not a very good job). As a parent, Patsy didn't see the need to make a tight knot on her already dead daughter's wrists.

(after thinking for a while) It would take too much time to detail all of the evidence against the Ramseys. Here you can find the facts against the Ramseys and the intruder theory, best summarized with former Detective Steve Thomas' theory of the murder.

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Thomas Names Patsy Ramsey as Murderer

Thomas's book, which became a bestseller when it was released in hardback in April 2000 (a paperback edition was released in November 2000), left no doubt about whom he believes killed JonBenét, known as Joni'B to her mother and father. On page 12 he writes that he believes the murderer to be "her panicked mother, Patsy Ramsey, and that her father, John Ramsey, opted to protect his wife in the investigation that followed." In chapter 30 of the book, Thomas recounts his theory of the case:

"In my hypothesis, an approaching fortieth birthday, the busy holiday season, an exhausting Christmas Day, a couple of glasses of wine, and an argument with JonBenét had left Patsy frazzled. Her beautiful daughter, whom she frequently dressed almost as a twin, had rebelled against wearing the same outfit as her mother [to the Whites' Christmas Day party].

"When they came home, John Ramsey helped Burke put together a Christmas toy. JonBenét, who had not eaten much at the Whites' party, was hungry. Her mother let her have some pineapple, and then the kids were put to bed. John Ramsey read to his little girl. Then he went to bed. Patsy stayed up to prepare for the trip to Michigan the next morning, a trip she admittedly did not particularly want to make.

"Later JonBenét awakened after wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and the balled-up turtleneck found in the bathroom. I concluded that the little girl had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her mother originally said, and that it was stripped off when it got wet.

"As I told [Lou] Smit [an investigator hired by the D.A.'s office], I never believed the child was sexually abused for the gratification of the offender but that the vaginal trauma was some sort of corporal punishment. The dark fibers found in her public region could have come from the violent wiping of a wet child. Patsy probably yanked out the diaper package in cleaning up JonBenét.

"Patsy would not be the first mother to lose control in such a situation. One of the doctors we consulted cited toileting issues as a textbook example of causing a parental rage. So, in my hypothesis, there was some sort of explosive encounter in the child's bathroom sometime prior to one o'clock in the morning, the time suggested by the digestion rate of the pineapple found in the child's stomach [during the autopsy]. I believe JonBenét was slammed against a hard surface, such as the edge of a tub, inflicting a mortal head wound. She was unconscious, but her heart was still beating. Patsy would not have known that JonBenét was still alive, because the child already appeared to be dead. The massive head trauma would have eventually killed her.

"It was the critical moment in which she had to either call for help or find an alternative explanation for her daughter's death. It was accidental in the sense that the situation had developed without motive or premeditation. She could have called for help but chose not to. An emergency room doctor probably would have questioned the "accident" and called the police. Still, little would have happened to Patsy in Boulder. But I believe panic overtook her.

"John and Burke continued to sleep while Patsy moved the body of JonBenét down to the basement and hid her in the little room.

"As I pictured the scene, her dilemma was that police would assume the obvious if a 6-year-old child was found dead in a private home without any satisfactory explanation. Patsy needed a diversion and planned the way she thought a kidnapping should look."

Thomas theorized that Patsy then went upstairs to the kitchen to write the ransom note, using one of her own writing tablets and a felt-tipped pen that she kept there on a counter. She "flipped to the middle of the tablet, and started a ransom note, drafting one that ended on page 25. For some reason she discarded that one and ripped pages 17-25 from the tablet. Police never found those pages. On page 26, she began the 'Mr. & Mrs. I,' then also abandoned that false start. At some point she drafted the long ransom note. By doing so, she created the government's best piece of evidence."

Thomas wrote that she "then faced the major problem of what to do with the body" and that leaving it in "the distant almost inaccessible basement room was the best option.

"As I envisioned it, Patsy returned to the basement, a woman caught up in panic, where she could have seen -- perhaps by detecting a faint heartbeat or a sound or a slight movement -- that although completely unconscious, JonBenét was not dead. Others might argue that Patsy did not know the child was still alive. In my hypothesis, she took the next step, looking for the closest available items in her desperation. Only feet away was her paint tote. She grabbed a paintbrush and broke it to fashion the garrote with some cord. Then she looped the cord around the girl's neck.

"In my scenario, she choked JonBenét from behind, with a grip on the broken paintbrush handle, pulling the ligature. JonBenét, still unconscious, would never have felt it…

"Then the staging continued to make it look more like a kidnapping. Patsy tied the girl's wrists, in front, not in back, for otherwise the arms would have not have been in that overhead position. But with a 15-inch length of cord between the wrists and the knot tied loosely over the clothing, there was no way such a binding would have restrained a live child. It was a symbolic act to make it appear the child had been bound.

The Smoking Gun

As part of her staging, Thomas wrote that Patsy put a strip of duct tape over JonBenét's mouth. "There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenét had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth. The ransom note and the staging of the body took so much of the night that Patsy did not have time to change the clothes she wore to the Whites' Christmas Day party. To Thomas, Patsy's not changing her clothes was the smoking gun. He knew she was wearing the same clothes because a picture taken at the Whites' dinner party on Christmas night showed her wearing a red turtleneck sweater and black pants. A Boulder police officer had noted in his report that when he arrived at the Ramsey home on December 26 in response to the kidnapping emergency that Patsy was wearing a red turtleneck and black pants.

"This woman, to whom looking good appeared always so important that she had a closet full of designer clothes, had attended a party, come home late, put her children to bed, gone to sleep herself, arose early to fly across the country, put on fresh makeup and fixed her hair, and then put on the same clothes she had worn the previous night? Not likely, in my opinion," Thomas wrote.

I rest my case.

35 posted on 08/24/2002 6:47:18 PM PDT by panther33
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To: panther33
It is all conjecture and proves nothing. It is not supported by the evidence. Jonbenet died from STRANGULATION as evidenced by the petecchial hemorrages in the eyes. The blow to the head was AFTER she died and not what caused her death. There was DNA/SEMEN found in her underpants. There were stun gun marks found on her leg! To think that this doting,loving mother would accidentally harm her child and NOT take her immediately to the hospital and then CHOKE her as well as concoct this elaborate rape senario that includes strangling her to the point where the ligature dug in so deep that it nearly severed her windpipe is ridiculous! Jonbenet's killer is still out there and I believe he is someone very close to the family. He is someone who coveted and fantasized about Jonbenet for some time. He knew the house and he knew the familys plans for that evening. He knew about the 118k bonus. But most of all, he knew that he must have the girl.


<p. Steve Thomas is an idiot!
36 posted on 08/24/2002 7:09:12 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: MAWG
Sir (or Madame),

I refuse to argue back and forth with you over this matter. Neither one of us can be 100% positive whether or not the Ramseys did it (that assurance lies only with the Ramseys and God). I will not attempt to refute the ridiculous "stun gun" theory praised by Lou Smit, nor will I try to oppose your wishy-washy "rapist" idea. You have your theories; I have mine. Truce?
37 posted on 08/24/2002 9:30:47 PM PDT by panther33
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To: MAWG
Oh... I forgot one thing: If Ms. Ramsey is a doting, loving mother like you say, why can't we presume that Andrea Yates was a doting, loving mother?

I still hold out my hand for a truce.
38 posted on 08/24/2002 9:33:40 PM PDT by panther33
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To: panther33
Andrea Yates is legally and clinically insane. Patsy Ramsey, clearly, is not.

Truce.

39 posted on 08/25/2002 5:02:34 AM PDT by MAWG
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