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Realwoman, sorry, but I don't get "sent". I don't need others to point me in the directions I want to go. I long ago learned how to go my own way when I choose. Get out and try it sometime. ;-)

Don, being that you couldn't "be bothered" to read Drumbo's post, nor have you read even half of what I've said, you really have no argument. You cannot argue what you do not know.

You state "They married the bastards, so now they get to pay the price." Well you married your ex. Why are you pissing and moaning about the support? It doesn't fly both ways Don.

You want to know what I know about CS? Coming from a very large family, my experience probably doesn't amount to much. Is it that I draw my experience from an ex-husband who abandoned his family? Or perhaps I draw it from a father who abandoned his because the new wife forbid him to even mention his previous family? Maybe it's that my aunt had her ear drum busted and her sister had her nose broke with a pool stick in a public bowling alley because she dared to divorce her husband on grounds of abuse? Then again, I might just draw my conclusions from my step-father, who faithfully paid support and alimony and when his ex-bitch tried cheating him for more, he used the law to get her stopped. Or perhaps it's that my BIL was railroaded by his ex who had some dark secret over his head and I still think he should have stood up to her and that he shouldn't have to pay her one penny. Or maybe I was influenced by my cousin, who I had to help gather documentation and get in contact with the right ppl because they were cheating her husband and making him pay double support...with his ex's help of course? It might even be that a bit of influence comes from a cousin who, when she and her ex divorced, agreed on shared custody. Heck, they even clean each other's houses and are good friends.

I could go on with true story after true story which have influenced me. And perhaps, since I've seen so many of the true stories, that is why I remain "centered" on support issues. I am not the fanatical extremist who thinks all women are owed, nor am I idiotic loon who thinks all women are money grubbing bitches and will agree with the likes of Gay just because he happens to be a man...that which you seem to be doing.

I even only partly disagree with RGSpincich. He is correct in saying some don't show. My ex showed neither for the divorce nor the recent modification hearing. Yet there are some guys who actually do try to do right and get stepped on, just as some gals go through the same thing. I've never held an extreme view of either. Extremism only makes one appear to be wrong 9 times out of 10.

I have yet to see you give explanations for why Gay is right, just that you seem to be pushing that he is and that everyone else must be wrong. And those one-liners seem all you are capable of giving. Try "discussing" the issue, or is that too much for you?

I've been researching support guidelines online for many years, once set up a support reform site. I do have an inkling of what I'm speaking about. You simply seem to hold anger as the key to a discussion and that will only cause you to fail miserably. Now good day, I must get ready for work. ;-)

"You state 'They married the bastards, so now they get to pay the price.' Well you married your ex. Why are you pissing and moaning about the support? It doesn't fly both ways Don."

Obnoxious, humorless, and literal-minded too?

Wow, that's quite the package!

I'd be tempted to try to come up with an appropriate name for it, but "feminist" is already taken.

I'm not surprised that you would exhibit such a venomous reaction to my lighthearted parody of what men are told constantly. I do find more than a smidgen of irony in the fact that you would -- with a straight face, no less -- respond with the standard "shut up and take it" brand of horse manure that my parody mocked.