Another Man Down in the War Against Fathers

FatherMag.com ^ | August 22, 2002 | Roger F. Gay

[Home By Dark]

=>BWAAAHAAAHAAHA

Very intellectual, Roger. This enhances your credibility. First, you trot out the tale of some miscreant who holds people hostage in the belief we'll feel sympathetic towards a violent person. Then you slide down into this.

I suspect you are only here to whine and have no ideas on fixing the inequities.

[RogerFGay]

No, the kids aren't helped by lifelong interest payments. Besides that, there's interest collected on the money passing through the system. That was how processing was supposed to have been paid for. Who keeps the interest payments is anybody's guess. In the game of "public private partnerships" it's likely a politicians relative or someone who gave generously during the last campaign. The fees and interest charged are now nothing more than a question of greed. The child support system learned that it can get away with whatever it wants to do, no matter how arbitrary and destructive.

[RogerFGay]

You sound like you want to be fair and reasonable, but you also sound like you want to be a social engineer. Most often the reason payments are not made is because the person who has been ordered to pay them cannot. It is morally and constitutionally wrong to punish someone for not doing what they cannot do.

[FormerLurker]

Ah, I see you've met the self-proclaimed guardians of all that is good (for the state that is), that being RGSpincich and Cultural Jihad.

Him and CJ always gloat when the state takes kids from their parents, and here they obviously see nothing wrong with shooting a father over child support either...

[Home By Dark]

=>It is morally and constitutionally wrong to punish someone for not doing what they cannot do.


What would you say to the people who say they cannot get out of bed before 6 AM? Or say 25 miles is too far to commute? Or say that a particular kind of work is too "ordinary" for them?

"Cannot" for a lot of people translates to "won't bother".

[RogerFGay]

And they're pretending to be conservatives. CJ threatened to sick the FBI, the CIA, and the forum administrator on me because she disagrees. You must recognize it, the approach to life that defines the extreme left.

[Larry Lucido]

Morales then entered a house in the neighborhood

I'm sorry the homeowner didn't have a gun handy. Could've saved his family four hours of terror.

[RogerFGay]

Here's an idea. Just round up a thousand guys at random, stick 'em in a parking lot, and let whoever wants to open fire on them. Would that make you happy?

[FormerLurker]

You must recognize it, the approach to life that defines the extreme left.

Actually, that bunch could legitimately be called right-wing extremists, as they're huge supporters of the WOD also...

Either extreme favors injecting government intervention into our lives. Social engineering would never have gotten this far if BOTH sides of the House and Senate hadn't voted for it.

[RogerFGay]

That involves definitions of left and right that are both at the extreme left. I've discussed this aspect of the popular model of the political spectum at great length. The idea that nazis are far right is only relative to the commies in a universe in which only nazis and commies exist.

[Larry Lucido]

Here's an idea. Just round up a thousand guys at random, stick 'em in a parking lot, and let whoever wants to open fire on them. Would that make you happy?

Um, no. I have a better idea. Arm homeowners and teach them defensive tactics. Then they can shoot intruders in the act.

Now that would make me happy.

BTW, any word on how the this guy's former hostages are doing?

[drjimmy]

You flunk elementary applied probability. You don't understand humans. And I cannot in any way condone your support for runaway dictatorial government that refuses to play by the rules.
Fair enough. And I cannot in any way condone your support for "men" who take neighbor families and kids at childcare centers hostage at gunpoint and who murder people in a courtroom.

[RogerFGay]

"Cannot" for a lot of people translates to "won't bother".

A few comments from you about blacks and Jews and I'm sure we'll have you pegged. When the economy last picked up, people left the welfare roles. It always happens that way. Of course the politicians claimed welfare roles dropped because of welfare reform. They lied.

Jobless claims ease

[RogerFGay]

Um, no. I have a better idea. Arm homeowners and teach them defensive tactics. Then they can shoot intruders in the act. Now that would make me happy. BTW, any word on how the this guy's former hostages are doing?

The hostages were never harmed. I'm guessing they knew the guy and never felt they were in danger, but that's just a guess. BTW: Are you suggesting that Catalino Morales' major mistake is that he didn't take aim from his second floor bedroom?

[RogerFGay]

Yeah right. That was my main point -- not. Besides being irritated by your support for a dictatorial police state, I'm thinkin' you should have tried harder in school to learn to read. You have a serious comprehension problem.

[Home By Dark]

=>"Cannot" for a lot of people translates to "won't bother".

A few comments from you about blacks and Jews and I'm sure we'll have you pegged. When the economy last picked up, people left the welfare roles. It always happens that way. Of course the politicians claimed welfare roles dropped because of welfare reform. They lied.


Whatever are you rambling about?

You've never known lazy, unmotivated people?

[RogerFGay]

You've never known lazy, unmotivated people?

I've even met stupid people. Should we shoot them too?

[Home By Dark]

=>You've never known lazy, unmotivated people?

I've even met stupid people. Should we shoot them too?


Do you have death by firearms on the mind this morning?

Are you going to offer your thoughts on a fair, just system for raising the children of divorced people, or are you going to keep dodging by darting into these silly comments about shooting stupid people?

[agarrett]

Him and CJ always gloat when the state takes kids from their parents, and here they obviously see nothing wrong with shooting a father over child support either...

  I believe they were trying to arrest him over the child support. They shot him over holding a family hostage and attempting to shoot the police. Slight difference.

Drew Garrett