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Another Man Down in the War Against Fathers
FatherMag.com ^ | August 22, 2002 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 08/22/2002 6:45:01 AM PDT by RogerFGay

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To: Motherbear; RogerFGay; DNA Rules
"By the way, I don't think the postal service creates them so much as it hires them. :("

That supports my point -- in any given population, there are some who will, when put under sufficient pressure, crack.

It is interesting that they do not crack prior to being put through the meat grinder.

That most do not crack when subjected to unmitigated dehumanizing abuse is not in any way an endorsement of the idea that unmitigated dehumanizing abuse is good, yet, there is no shortage of people who defend a system based on unmitigated dehumanizing abuse.

It is distressing that so many putative "conservatives" do so, mouthing the words written by hard core left wing radical feminists.

181 posted on 08/22/2002 5:17:25 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: amused
"So this is predictable and therefore partially justified?"

What an amazing remark, since that is exactly the basis of the defense of "the system" that "pressure-treats" those who crack.

182 posted on 08/22/2002 5:18:27 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Motherbear
The most ardent supporters of abortion are men under the age of 30. It would appear that the big problem many of these angry hyperbolic posters have is that their progeny is breathing. They seem to think that the impoverishment of women and children by divorce should be a right of irresponsible men, that the lives of the future members of our society is of no business to society.

The liberal dictum: "Allow me to be irresponsible, and I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility."

183 posted on 08/22/2002 5:19:01 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Why were you paying for her attorney's fees? That's ridiculous! I paid for it all, but then I'm ridiculous.

Unemployed females get all the breaks from the system and that's one of them.

184 posted on 08/22/2002 5:20:07 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: amused
"Actually I would like to hear your story of woe since the amount of venom you put out about this issue should make it a doozy."

Be my guest, but extend the courtesy of reading all my traffic in that post before assuming you've seen the whole picture.

"You have tried to justify the actions of a guy who held hostages by his treatment at the hands of child support collectors."

Bovina fecundis. I explained it. There is a wide gulf between explaining something and defending it.

By your brand of "logic", the Weisenthal Center is "defending the actions of the nazis."

"I hate to say it but some of you guys sound like suicide by cop candidates. And that is frightening."

You sound like you need thorazine.

185 posted on 08/22/2002 5:24:23 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: balrog666
Unemployed females get all the breaks from the system and that's one of them.
Spoken as a true generalism. Since that statement can be proven false in certain instances, the whole statement becomes false.
186 posted on 08/22/2002 5:24:29 PM PDT by almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
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To: amused
I hate to say it but some of you guys sound like suicide by cop candidates. And that is frightening.

As an enthusiastic non-supporter of the current laws regarding child support, this is what worries me. If these guys want to get themselves blown away by the police, fine, that just makes them Darwin Award candidates. What concerns me is that the good name of FR will be besmirched by their membership in the forum.

187 posted on 08/22/2002 5:24:45 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
"I know that had I, as a custodial parent (who Mr. Gay would tell you is a money grubbing bitch) gone on a shooting rampage because the system and my ex were both IMHO unfair to me, Mr. Gay would undoubtedly say I got what I deserved. Well Mr. Gay, Morales got what he deserved. But you already knew that. I think you simply like seeing your name behind articles that are best left in the waste basket."

You sound like an historian.

You know what they say -- history is written by the victors.

Claims of fair equitable reasonable treatment by the divorce industry ring quite hollow when delivered by victorious women.

189 posted on 08/22/2002 5:26:43 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: RGSpincich
Add to that years of harassment and threats from a long list of strangers, including half-witted pimple-faced high school drop-outs trying to collect to make a commission and female bureaucrats, possibly former welfare mothers, who revel in the opportunity to emasculate men.

The choir has left the building and this is pure dribble. Address the real problems and leave out the hype.

,,, I had this experience for a minimum of three and a half years. I wish it on you.

192 posted on 08/22/2002 5:30:40 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
Unemployed females get most of the breaks from the system and that's one of the more painful ones.
193 posted on 08/22/2002 5:30:53 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo; RogerFGay; DNA Rules
"Gee, my ex's CS was just increased to $470/mo. and he's not living in his car....but he will be. LOLOL"

Yup, good thing the feminists are only looking for "fair, equitable" treatment, and have no inclination towards vindictive, punitive, confiscatory tactics vis-a-vis "child" support.

Thank you for that demonstration of feminist ethics.

194 posted on 08/22/2002 5:33:14 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Yes, I can honestly say. After 16 years, victory goes to those who operate within the system. I am quite happy with the increase in support. Thankyouverymuch. I'll be even happier if he actually pays the $470/mo. since I never saw the $100/mo.
195 posted on 08/22/2002 5:35:30 PM PDT by almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
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To: almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
"Face it, some ppl can't handle stress."

Oh, right. You mean like the "Gee, my ex's CS was just increased to $470/mo. and he's not living in his car....but he will be. LOLOL" type of stress?

"LOLOL" indeed.

What a vindictive little so and so.

196 posted on 08/22/2002 5:36:00 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: balrog666
To put this as susinctly as possible. I was unemployed when my ex walked out. I got no breaks, much less most. Care to try again?
197 posted on 08/22/2002 5:37:12 PM PDT by almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
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To: Motherbear
"I know people lose it. They still deserve to pay for their crimes."

Fine, I'll go along with that.

Now why won't you go along with making those who create the dehumanizing system of abuse also "pay for their crimes"?

198 posted on 08/22/2002 5:38:11 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
To put this as susinctly as possible. I was unemployed when my ex walked out. I got no breaks, much less most. Care to try again?

You had an incompentent lawyer. Who's fault is that?

199 posted on 08/22/2002 5:39:21 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: Don Joe
Thank you for that demonstration of feminist ethics.
You're so very welcome. And had I wanted you to give a reasonable response, like perhaps asking the circumstances of such a modification, I'd have given you more info. I didn't for the simple fact that I knew what kind of a response it would elicit from you. Look further below that post and you'll see part of the reason. But then, as I've said, I've dealt with Mr. Gay and his likeness in many forms for many years. Ppl such Mr. Gay and his supporters only see what they want to see. No matter the circumstances, to you I will probably always be the money grubbing bitch. And I get a real good laugh out of it.
200 posted on 08/22/2002 5:39:41 PM PDT by almostheaven aka MrsDrumbo
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