Posted on 08/21/2002 7:41:41 PM PDT by mjp
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Well, if he did do it, he was a very sneaky fellow indeed -- seeing as even the skeptics say the shroud existed 400 years prior to da Vinci's birth.
OTOH, there was old Star Trek episode featuring a guy who was immortal. IIRC, da Vinci was one of his "identities." Of course, one wouldn't accept this as proof of your claim....
Since the Shroud of Turin was first publicly displayed in Lirey, France, in 1355, 97 years before Leonardo Da Vinci was born in 1452, must we then also conclude that Leonardo invented time travel??
No, the Sudarium of Oviedo, which has blood stains but no image, is considered to have been the small cloth, separate from the shroud, that covered the head of Jesus in the tomb, as reported in the Gospels.
Most promiment theory currently is that the Veronica and the Image of Odessa were probably the same cloth under different names and both were the shroud folded in four so that only the image of the face appeared in a lattice work frame. Note that the very name "Veronica" translates as "True Image", most likely placing the story of woman named Veronica who offered her veil to wipe Jesus' bloody and sweaty face on the Via Delarosa in the pious fiction category.
Not true.
This fallacy comes from the wrappings of Egyptian mummies and does not transfer to burial practices in the Levant.
You can make no conclusions about the Biblical text based on the English translation of first century writings.
I know... typo.
The authors' of that site are not only photograhic illiterates they are also devoid in logic... they propose Leonardo Da Vinci as the photographer... but the shroud had been publically displayed 97 years before he was born. Now that is a true miracle I would like explained!
The research done on Carbon-14 dating since the dating of the Shroud has been eye-opening. It seems that LINEN cannot be reliably carbon-dated! They have discovered that mummies wrapped in linen date much older than the linen that wraps them... sometimes by thousands of years. The bio-plastic residue of bacteria and bacteria excrement is theorized to be the cause.
The earliest confirmed date is April, 1349.
No, the theory behind Carbon-14 is that animals and plants take in ATMOSPHERIC carbon in the form of Carbon Dioxide... and when they stop taking in the CO2, i.e., they die, the ratio of C-14 to other carbon isotopes is fixed. The other isotopes have much longer half lives than C-14. By measuring the amount of C-14 left in a known sample size, the age can be calculated by examining the current ratio.
Right. Exactly what was that "clever imaging [process] that was common in the 13th century" that embedded 3D topographic information into a pigment-free negative image 600 years before the development of photography and 700 years before the invention of terrain analyzers?
The primary patches being referred to were "stitched" in place by the Nuns of Poor Clare in 1353, not woven... but apparently some other areas were "invisibly" mended by a reweaving technique.
Photographic examination of the now destroyed Carbon-14 sample show that there is a distinct change in appearance across the sample with one side having an OPPOSITE THREAD TWIST than the other. The three labs reported three different ranges of age for the piece of that sample... and strangely, the differences were in exact proportion to the percentage they got of the differing twist material!
He also found that fibers from the “wounds” were stained not with blood but with particles of a synthetic vermilion developed in the Middle Ages. He said the practice of painting linen with gelatin-based temperas began in the late thirteenth century and was common in the fourteenth. He concluded that a fourteenth century artist had forged the shroud.
Walter McCrone (deceased) was an OPTICAL MICROSCOPIST. His "testing" consisted of observation through a microscope. He consistently refused to submit his Shroud of Turin conclusion to peer review. Why? Because they could not stand up under scrutiny.
The shroud fibers have been examined by much more sophisticated scientific instruments than McCrone's optical microscope... and NONE, including ELECTRON MICROSCOPES, sophisticated spectragraphs, and many micro-chemical analysis have shown ANY pigment in sufficient levels to be visible. In addition, no vermilion or tempera, was ever found by any other researcher other than McCrone. These studies WERE peer reviewed, unlike McCrone's work.
The blood stains ARE blood... and it is human blood, Type AB Negative, as reported by HEMATOLOGIST Dr. John H. Heller.
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