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Today Show Blacklists Toby Keith But Features Singer Glorifying Johnny Taliban
Media Research Center ^ | August 20, 2002 | Brent Baker

Posted on 08/20/2002 1:07:58 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

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To: wirestripper
The issue is if the song was a glorification of Walker or not.

That's part of the issue. The rest of the issue is why the media is quick to play a song from an artist who is "trying to get into the head" of a traitor to the U.S., but is unwilling to play a song that is into the head of a patriot (because the songwriter is the patriot).

Oh, but you see, we need to understand people like Lindh and what it is that makes them want to destroy 2700 people or more in a single blow. You should never want to put a boot in his a$$.</sarcasm>

(BAAARRRRRRFFFFFFFF)

Now I feel better.

Shalom.

121 posted on 08/21/2002 10:50:03 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Well, I'm glad when a teen believes in something, but I'm even gladder when it isn't stupid!

I agree. However, a suburban kid going to high school and then off to college to learn to be an engineer is far less thought provoking. Sure, I would rather that have happened to Lindh but it is a somewhat intriguing story as to how he got so far away from mainstream America.

122 posted on 08/21/2002 10:52:34 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: JavaTheHutt
Charlie Robison, huh? He's a lib, you know. And you must be disgusted by his glorification of drug use. From "My Hometown" (which Charlie said is his favorite of his own songs):

Well, we worked eighty hours makin' time and a half, but La Grange was too damn hot/We drove back home at the end of the week, and we spent it all on pot.

How can you spend your money on a guy who glorifies pot-smoking? Ever heard the song (from the album "Step Right Up") called "The Preacher"? Very anti-Christian.

In "Loving County", Charlie sings about a guy (using the first person point of view) murdering a woman to steal her diamond ring, to get a girl to marry him. Glorifying murder, there.

Are you starting to get my point?

Know who one of Charlie's songwriting idols is? Mister Steve Earle. Listen to "John O'Reilly" on "Step Right Up." It's a carbon copy of Steve's "Dixieland," right down to the Irish character and use of a tin whistle.

123 posted on 08/21/2002 10:54:10 AM PDT by Gurn
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To: southern rock
LOL! I'm more partial to "Rock my World, Little Country Girl" , myself.

Give me "The Long Goodbye."

Shalom.

124 posted on 08/21/2002 10:54:43 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Why should I try to imagine what Lindh was thinking? Why should I care what someone fighting against American interests was thinking? I'm not in psy-ops. I don't have to understand the enemy in order to fight him.

You don't have to try. I don't really care. But the author of the post I was replying to was trying and not doing a very good job of it. I would suggest, however, that if you decide to try, that you actually contemplate the issue instead of flying off the handle without thinking like so many other posters in this thread.

Of course, it's a free country and people are free to think in any twisted way they want to. But that puts no moral obligation on me to listen to their twisted thoughts or try to understand them.

I completely agree and I don't believe I have ever put forth the notion that anyone has an obligation to listen.

Anyone, and I mean anyone who has any reaction to the idea of destroying 2800 or more people in a single act of violence other than to want to destroy the perps is beyond fathoming to me. There are some thoughts I'd rather not understand.

It is unfathomable to me as well. For the life of me I can't understand why people following Mao/Stalin/Hitler were hoodwinked either. It is an interesting question for me to contemplate however. If you would rather not try to understand them then don't. As we both have said, you have no obligation.

125 posted on 08/21/2002 10:58:58 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Sure, I would rather that have happened to Lindh but it is a somewhat intriguing story as to how he got so far away from mainstream America.

Only if it wants to spend some time on how you can keep it from happening to your kid. But then you might find out (unless I'm mixing up my stories) that his father "turned gay" and that had something to do with it so we can't go down that path ...

Lots of kids do interesting things. If you want to tell a good story, tell about a kid who went to work for FDNY. Leave stories about terrorists and traitors to terrorists and traitors.

Shalom.

126 posted on 08/21/2002 11:00:48 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Oh, but you see, we need to understand people like Lindh and what it is that makes them want to destroy 2700 people or more in a single blow. You should never want to put a boot in his a$$

I am one that is intrigued by the question of how did he end up where he is now. I also want to put a boot in his @$$. I mentioned earlier in the thread that I think he should be tried for treason and then executed. I do not believe the two are mutually exclusive.

127 posted on 08/21/2002 11:02:53 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch
For the life of me I can't understand why people following Mao/Stalin/Hitler were hoodwinked either. It is an interesting question for me to contemplate however.

Check out the Stanley Milgram experiment in behavoral psychology, and forgive me if I mangled his name. It's been over 20 years since I studied that stuff. Maybe people followed Mao/Stalin/Hitler because people sympathetic to their ideas got so much airplay?

It's a thought.

Shalom.

128 posted on 08/21/2002 11:03:07 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Gurn
The fact the song exists without any criticisms in the lyrics of the traitor, proves it is an attempt to raise his stature.

Writing the song in the wake of 911 was Earls attempt to lift himself out of the county fair touring gigs he stuck himself in, with his self distructive personality, through controversy. It appears that he has succeeded in that unfortunately, though I am sure that is temporary.

129 posted on 08/21/2002 11:04:17 AM PDT by Fearless Flyers
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To: ArGee
I hope you are not making the Gay to Islam connection as that might be a stretch. Not that there's anything wrong with that (hey to Seinfeld)

As for the kid who became a Fire Fighter, it probably would make a great story but it wouldn't dominate the National and Local news for weeks on end. Like it or not, it was a huge story which provoked a lot of interest from all types of people.

130 posted on 08/21/2002 11:06:37 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Fearless Flyers
Writing the song in the wake of 911 was Earls attempt to lift himself out of the county fair touring gigs he stuck himself in,

Don't want to sound like a broken record, but you know not of what you speak. If you'd followed his career, you'd know that he long ago eschewed commercial success. As I've said in this thread, he never sells more than 200K records, but never less than 100K.

As for gigs, the types of venues have never changed, and he's not looking to do that with this record.

His main motivation for writing this batch of political songs -- according to him -- was his alarm at passage of the Patriot Act. And I've seen many libertarians on this board voice the same concerns.

131 posted on 08/21/2002 11:25:36 AM PDT by Gurn
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To: Gurn
How can you spend your money on a guy who glorifies pot-smoking?

OK, you are obviously brain damaged, so I will type this real slow so you can keep up. Jimmy Buffett sang a song about robbing a gas station, but he was not advocating commtting armed robbery. Johnny Cash sang a song about stealing car parts from a factory where he supposedly worked, but he wasn't necessarily advocating embezzlement. Clint Eastwood played an outlaw who hunted down and killed U.S. soldiers, but he certainly wasn't advocating it.

There is a big difference. It's so big, your brain is obviously not capable of comprehending it.

Are you starting to get my point?

Yeah, I'm starting to understand that you have absolutley no common sense and don't see the difference between singing a song about something and getting on a soap box to preach it.

I've only listened to one of Charlie's cds, and I like it. I make no apologies about it. But if I ever see him up on a soapbox, trying to use his status as an entertainer to advocate (Key word here, try using your dictionary, if you know how) left wing politics, any of his cds in my home will go in the trash, without hesitation.

ad·vo·cate
Pronunciation: 'ad-v&-k&t, -"kAt
Function: noun
1 : one that pleads the cause of another; specifically : one that pleads the cause of another before a tribunal or judicial court
2 : one that defends or maintains a cause or proposal

What your brain fired heroin junky idol does in his personal life is no business of mine, but when he decides to jump into the political waters, I have every right to decide if I'm going to give him my money for his next heroin fix or for his next contribution to a political organization I despise.

The fact that you are incapable of seperating yourself from your celebrity idols, regardless of their actions puts you in the same class of people as the Klinton apologists. It demonstrates a lack of moral fiber on your part, and frankly, it evokes in me a sense of pity for you.

132 posted on 08/21/2002 11:36:22 AM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: JavaTheHutt
Bravo Java!!!!! Personally I can't separate the "artist" from his/her work. Which means I don't watch many movies and am selective about what I listen to. My vote at the polls counts and my vote on how to spend my dollars counts as well.
133 posted on 08/21/2002 11:38:46 AM PDT by cjshapi
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To: JavaTheHutt
What your brain fired heroin junky idol does in his personal life is no business of mine, but when he decides to jump into the political waters, I have every right to decide if I'm going to give him my money for his next heroin fix or for his next contribution to a political organization I despise.

He doesn't do heroin, and hasn't in eight years. It demonstrates a lack of moral fiber on your part, and frankly, it evokes in me a sense of pity for you.

So, I have a lack of moral fiber because I buy Steve Earle's records. Thanks for clearing that up.

You've got me there, I guess.

134 posted on 08/21/2002 11:42:09 AM PDT by Gurn
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To: cjshapi
Which means I don't watch many movies and am selective about what I listen to.

Do you watch ESPN? It's owned by Disney, which is run by Michael Eisner, a Clinton supporter. Disney also pays Peter Jennings' salary. And he prevented Charlie Daniels from performing a patriotic song on ABC's July 4 special.

135 posted on 08/21/2002 11:44:38 AM PDT by Gurn
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To: cjshapi; JavaTheHutt
Dang! It must be tough being as perfect as you guys. Never once:

- Reading a murder novel
- Seeing a murder mystery movie (BTW, doe s George Lucas advocate killing through his Star Wars franchise?)
- Watching a sprting event (as they have beer commericals...and stuff)
- Reading a newspaper - after all, they do report on murders/robberies/etc.
- Reading a magazine - see above
- Watching television - etc., etc., etc.

Must be fun at your house...

136 posted on 08/21/2002 11:50:01 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: JavaTheHutt
The fact that you are incapable of seperating yourself from your celebrity idols, regardless of their actions puts you in the same class of people as the Klinton apologists. It demonstrates a lack of moral fiber on your part, and frankly, it evokes in me a sense of pity for you.

BTW, have your read all of Gurn's posts? He has said repeatedly that he disagrees with Earle's politics but believes he is a great songwriter. How, exactly, is that "incapable of separating"? Is it not possible to enjoy one's work while disagreeing with the views of the artist? I thuroughly enjoy the early works of R.E.M. but think Michael Stipe is a nutball. Is that not possible in your world?

137 posted on 08/21/2002 11:57:30 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Gurn
Do you watch ESPN? It's owned by Disney, which is run by Michael Eisner, a Clinton supporter

I don't watch ESPN. I don't watch Disney either. Nor do I watch CNN, PMSNBC, NBC and a majority of the other stations available. In fact, if it was possible to unprogram stations from my cable box, it would make my channel surfing a lot more pleasurable, because I wouldn't even have to look at those stations in passing.

In fact, the more liberal garbage I find on tv, the less I watch it. I'm certainly gaining a good understanding of those people who say they have even rid their homes of televisions. During the last week, My tv has only been on for a total of about 10 hours. About an hour every morning while I'm waking up and getting ready for work I have it on FoxNews, and I watch "The Simpsons" and "King of the Hill" when I get home from work. After that, the tv is usually turned off.

138 posted on 08/21/2002 12:02:53 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: PJ-Comix
"So the Today show is now giving lots of free publicity to a singer who glorifies the terrorists."

Why not? They carried the water for a president that cozied up to terrorists around the world while hobbling our military. Just more of the same.

I think the main reason they are now shunning Toby Kieth is that he committed the cardinal sin of calling fellow liberal journalist a "liar". They really hate that. Otherwise, they would have brought him in so they could ridicule the song as being excessively jingoistic.
139 posted on 08/21/2002 12:06:26 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Wyatt's Torch
I hope you are not making the Gay to Islam connection as that might be a stretch.

Gay parent to messed up kid is not a stretch, but gay parent to Islam or Taliban might be. Then again, maybe he was searching for someone whose values weren't fatally screwed up when he went looking for Islam. Anyway, that's probably a topic for another thread.

Shalom.

140 posted on 08/21/2002 12:06:54 PM PDT by ArGee
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