Cato, we could argue the finer points of this until old Sol turns red and Superman loses his power, but you won't budge me an inch and I probably won't budge you.
We look at the same situation somewhat differently it would appear. Viva La Difference!
The sad thing is you see this as a debate with sides. Ideas have consequences, and people are judged by the company they keep and the behaviours they accept. If you lie down with dogs, don't be surpised when you get fleas.