Raid on Kmart lot leaves shock, anger( America PoliceState in the Making)

Houston Chronicle ^ | Aug. 19, 2002 | By RON NISSIMOV

[RANDomScout]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but this sounds eerily similar to the current state of security affairs in the airline industry. First, ignore repeated warnings that a problem is at hand (customer/owner complaints; numerous attacks on American interests) . Don't use reasonable and proactive means to deal with the problem (frequent drive-bys to shoo away loiterers and ticketing of repeat offenders; careful screening of suspicious passengers and tight immigration controls). Then, when the problem becomes a real or potential disaster, overreact to the point of assuming everyone is guilty (and is detained) until proven otherwise.

[justshe]

Assume you mean officers?

Interesting post of yours: Non- citizen are now Police offers in most State part of the U.N Police and Military Exchange.

Do you have ONE iota of proof to support your assertion? MOST states? Non-citizens are police officers? U.N. Police and Military exchange?

And I don't want tin-foil sources. Give me hard facts please.

[bjs1779]

You miss my point. My point is that if you want to say, on this thread, that police departments all over the country are out of control........then cite evidence. But to make your statement based on a single incidence in Houston is simply building a house of cards.

You are right, they are not out of control. They are extremely efficient against unarmed teenagers, but it evens out when they come face to face with the minorities in the L.A. riots for example.

[USA21]

Police chief wants noncitizens as cops{"people who have not sworn allegiance to the U.S}

[USA21]

it not job to wake you up

[A CA Guy]

I've got a Super K-Mart near me and schools are close to it.

Children don't mass in front of the K-Mart there!

Maybe the arrest will give them a clue that they don't "Have it going on" hanging in front of stores in large numbers during the late hours.

Of course, they cold be POD people!!!!!

[USA21]

bump

[VaBthang4]

"Contrarian Homey" Dont Play Dat!

[AmishDude]

425+ people . . . at a Sonic . . . or just in transit in or out of KMart. They must be some awfully large establishments.

Logistically, wouldn't it be rather difficult to arrest over 400 people? The number of police required to do that must have required a huge proportion of the force.

[spooner]

Been here for awhile. I love this site. Mr. Robinson has done something truly unique in the creation of this forum. Just wanted to comment on this little episode. Growing up, I had woods to run till my hearts content. I had beautiful things around me that made me feel robust and free. Never any money, didn't need it. But I had everything in just being free. Would appear that some of you folks have lost sight of that God given right. Clinton has made sure that our beautiful children shall never have the woods to run in again. Our country...taken from us by an illegal government. So, my question is, where do the chrilden play? Why, they play where they feel they can, in the only places left open to them. Wake up folks, your bullshit spewing ain't gonna work any more. Open your eyes and get off your dead asses. Put the wants aside for a time and concentrate on the values that made this country great. You really love this country? Time to prove it. Lets, you know.
Peace and love, in Christ,
John

[rwt60]

My question is this:

Suppose K-Mart calls the cops to clear their lot. Sonic doesn't have the same view as K-Mart. They actually like people on their lot. Do the police then have the right to arrest people from the Sonic lot? I don't think so because the police don't have a complaint from Sonic.

If the police dragged people from one lot to another so they could make the arrest, then that would make for a very interesting court case.

As I understand it, Sonic did not allow the cars on their lot to be towed. That tells me they weren't a party to the complaint. Of course, I suspect I will be corrected by some of the new homeland security volunteers very shortly.

[chaosagent]

Well, apparently this was another police op gone bad.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/topstory2/1540867

[Dec31,1999]

There used to be a "youth" crowd that would hang out very near here in the mid to late 90's. People would come for miles around at any time of night and drink, hang out cuss real loud, sell and do drugs.

Now if they'd been quiet about it, it would've been OK. But of course, they weren't and it was horrible.

It took years of calling the cops to get rid of them. Let them hang out in front of thieir own homes and make noise.

Once the police finally cracked down, instead of sympathizing with them, it finally stopped.

Now all we hear is crickets. Ahhh.

[Dec31,1999]

A civilized police force would respond to a large group of loiterers by simply dispersing them. This "mass arrest" thing is a very ugly sign of the times.

That you don't live near one of these hang-outs is obvious.

[Dec31,1999]

Normal people understand that large amounts of teenagers doing nothing in a parking lot is a BAD thing.

Especially if it's within earshot!

[Dec31,1999]

Cops! I guess they couldn't do the right thing and drive by periodically to disburse the people.

If it plays like the one that was near me, they had, but it didn't work. Imagine yourself as a cop on duty dealing with an unruly mob that heckles and disrepects you. Not fun.

[Bullish]

Hey, now that you put it that way. I don't believe one word any of these kids say. Of course they ALL have an excuse to be hanging out in the parking lot in the middle of the night. "I was JUST eating ice cream" Right! No one was drinking beer or using drugs or violating curfew, right?

You must think cops have nothing better to do than arrest kids for eating ice cream, that's just rediculous.

There's two sides to this story and I have a feeling the adults have a more credible one.

[Dec31,1999]

Don't trust anyone under 30! ;)

[AmishDude]

Suppose K-Mart calls the cops to clear their lot. Sonic doesn't have the same view as K-Mart. They actually like people on their lot.

Bad assumption. Remember, 400 people were involved, that's why they were gathered in one place.