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A precedent for holding an American citizen, no matter how odious a citizen, without due process.

Let me put it in the simplests terms possible.

If there is no hole, you can't be put in the hole. You seek out the nastiest, most reprehensible, most violent, ugliest, smelliest citizen possible and say, "This person needs to be put in a hole". You dig one and put him there.

Now, you have a hole, and you can be put in the hole.

Boy, you said a mouthful there. That's exactly how liberties erode... bit by bit. And they always start with people that it's "good" to treat badly. But power doesn't stop like that. And just like income tax, if they make little steps on these issues during this administration, they won't "turn them all off" when they leave.

Is anyone here really silly enough to believe that we're going to just WIN this "war on terror?" This is equivalent to the cold war that went on for years. And it's even more like fighting in Vietnam... guerillas everywhere and our bombs really aren't going to be that big a help.

This country is a republic... if we can keep it. And we're well on our way to giving it away. It's not like WWII was in America... It will end up more like WWII in Germany... with our own little nazis called by different names. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Those who are willing to sacrifice essential liberties for a little order, will lose both and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Sadly, the fight this country had to get those liberties again will be wiped out by people who believe the government can actually protect them from "such as this." It's beyond that already people. We live in a new and ugly world... Big brother can't save you now. Sad but true. Don't "give it away" this easily... if you do, the terrorists win. Pure and simple.