Posted on 08/18/2002 12:31:24 PM PDT by BellStar
??? Come off it. What do you call this initiative? The only thing stopping that pair from launching an all-out assault on your rights is polling showing America's growing concern about their plans. And whenever that concern starts to spike, they launch another fear frenzy. Look for another smallpox/suitcase nuke/cyanide in the water /Iraqi WMD/anthrax beatup, coming soon in your New York Post.
We defeated the Germans and Japanese and the war was over. What will constitute the end of the War On Terror?
Post 61: Lincoln's key measure was the suspension of habeas corpus in September 1862. ... How is that any different than Ashcroft's desire to arrest and indefinitely detain suspected "terrorists"?
Looks like Ashcroft is doing what Lincoln did, contrary to post 52.
"Does the Constitution grant us any Liberty in our Bill of Rights (or elsewhere in the document)?"
If they answer yes, that is the wrong answer. The answer is no. Tell them,
"The Bill of Rights merely enumerates Liberties. We are 'endowed by our creator'. If one assumes that government can grant liberty, then one must assume government can take it away."
On Jerry Patterson's website, he explains this key idea in his Op Ed: "A Republic if We Can Keep It." Our luncheon speakers were inspirational and motivational. Noteworthy is that all these speakers have one common connection, and that connection is fighting for Constitutional Liberty.
John Lindt Walker (or whatever - I'm not from Marin) turned on America - that makes the fact that he was born and lived here null and void!
The left can't be bothered with the facts. Agenda is everything.
Who will surrender for "Terror"?
A precedent for holding an American citizen, no matter how odious a citizen, without due process.
Let me put it in the simplests terms possible.
If there is no hole, you can't be put in the hole. You seek out the nastiest, most reprehensible, most violent, ugliest, smelliest citizen possible and say, "This person needs to be put in a hole". You dig one and put him there.
Now, you have a hole, and you can be put in the hole. 
The war between the states and WWII could only last so long before there was a clear victor. How long can the war on terrorism last? How many kinds of terrorists can there be.
It's like cosigning a five year car note with your trusted friend or your son. Things start off rosey pink. . .
During WWII, a group of 8 Germans were dropped of in the U.S. to carry out espionage activities - except one of these Germans was actually a U.S. citizen. The courts upheld that they were the military's concern. THAT was the precedent to which you refer. They have due proccess - not that of a civilian criminal, but that of one carrying out acts of war against the U.S., while not falling under the criteria of the Geneva Conventions on War (Though the administration has decided to allow them the general protections anyway).
Next?
Oh yes he is, amigo. Our Aussie AG, Daryl Williams, has lifted most of Ashcroft's programs and tried to present them here as essential protections in the War On Terror. Or, as I'm increasingly coming to view it, the War of Terror. There's been a firestorm of protest and thank Heavens our AG hasn't been able to get much of his State vs the Citizen legislation enacted. Williams and other US allies look to the US for leadership on these issues, and Ashcroft is enabling foreign authoritarians in that way. What I still cannot get my head around is how Bush and Ashcroft, who started out with so much promise, and such great goodwill and gratitude from conservatives generally, have now turned on us like this. I thought I was cynical about the presidency during the Clinton era but the way these two are raping the hopes and dreams of those who voted them into office just takes the cake.
Again we have an accusation without evidence. None. Just a personal attack upon the men responsible for our military and law enforcement actions to keep us from having another 9/11.
What will you fearmongers say if/when there is another catastrophic attack--that the Bush administration wasn't doing enough??
3,000 dead innocents are enough. America responded tremendously after 12/7/41 with unity. The first Allied victory did not come until some months after, but America stayed the course--and that with a blatantly liberal, some may say socialist Roosevelt administration.
Now, with EARLY evidence of some battle victories, the panic buttons are being pushed regarding a CONSERVATIVE administration. Thanks be to GOD these shaky knees are few and far between, and thanks TOO that these shaky knees weren't around in previous generations.
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