Open Letter to America from a Canadian (MegaBarf Alert!)

Originally 9 said: Canadian Left (indeed, with a significant plurality of the Canadian population),

This is referring to the Liberal party of Canada. And this statement is what I referred to when I told him he didn't know what he was talking about. He didn't.

Since then we have apparently progress to The Canadian Left being copycat of its European Socialist being. "progressive, anti-Globalist" Canadians.The last being I assume, comprised of NDP, Marxists, Anarchists, blue haired old ladies who vote liberal and anyone else 9 would care to throw in when he describes the Canadian Left. The Liberals support globalization, are not progressive so according to 9 ,fit where?.

As to the article you posted , I am not surprised it originates at a university ,nor am I surprised said university is trying to distance itself

btw , 9 is spending too much time thinking about who plays in left field . I belong and financially support the Alliance.

Indeed, as I too am an active Alliance member. In fact, if you've seen my postings on Free Dominion, you'll understand where I come from. I post as "EdS" over there.

I take second-place to no one, in my absolute hatred of the Liberals. While I may not like the politics of the socialist NDP, at least we know who they are; they make no attempt to hide their socialism from the population. But the Liberals are vile hypocrites, liars and arrogant elitists, with a strong socialist impetus. The only thing stopping them from coming out of the closet, so to speak, is sheer cowardice. They are beyond despicable.

Finally, their esteemed leader, Da Moron, is a liar, an extortionist, an embezzler, a swindler, a coward and a cheat. And a cur.

I'm currently working on a small piece to be posted on FD, about Chretien's legacy of incompetance, cowardice and malfeasance. The man is guilty of criminal ineptitude. He is the single most useless PM in Canada's history. He is a microcephalic cretin. His brain belongs in a jar - you know those tiny jars capers come in? You could fit his remnant brain-stem in there with enough room left for a pickled frog. Bah!

Well, obviously, not ALL Canadians are anti-American(maybe 10% of the population isn't-is that too high?), but you can get a sense by watching their networks. I live close to the border and had been to Canada a number of times and didn't give thought or realize the anti-Americanism. But there are barbs. I wanted to see Olympic coverage that wasn't on American tv so I turn to the Canadian channel(we get a couple of their channels where we live) and I start to hear swipes at Americans and the Star Spangled Banner. This jerk says how the US national anthem is too long in a nasty way and other reference is made against Americans in snarly ways-arrogant, overly patriotic. And all the b**ching about how American tv focuses on American athletes!?! Watch some of their tv if you want to get a sense. They spend their time having to insult the U.S. and Americans as "rude, gun toting murderers, thugs, warmongers". They have discussion on Canada and will bring up the USA out of the blue and insult it. What?? You certainly learn a lot about them by seeing them spout off insults constantly. You should have seen a discussion they had on 9/11 and how the audience was all anti-US and they were afraid of how terrorists would respond if they supported the U.S.(they've pulled their troops out of Afghanistan-save for a very small number), how the U.S. is always out to warmonger, how we held some responsibility in why we were attacked like that... I honestly think Canada waits and sees how the rest of the world reacts in support before coming to a conclusion. And notice the big shots they took at the US military for the friendly fire accident. They took shots at the US military and thought it ok to excuse themselves with the anger they showed our entire military as warmonger thugs. They take shots at the US every chance they can get. But they realize they want to visit the US and the benefits of their American tv, culture and $ from Hollyweird, etc. so they are nice. But their shots at the US are no different from Europe. I will say I'm not fond of Canada's need(gov't, etc.) to take shots at the US constantly.

How many actual number of Canadians are left in Afghanistan? They've pulled about all their troops out and those are from July. They're basically cutting and running.

They're basically cutting and running.

typical canuckistan

Originally 9 said: Canadian Left (indeed, with a significant plurality of the Canadian population),
This is referring to the Liberal party of Canada. And this statement is what I referred to when I told him he didn't know what he was talking about. He didn't.

I am not letting you get away with that misrepresentation, Snowyman.

At NO TIME did I refer to the Liberal Party of Canada.

At NO TIME did I imply that most members of the Liberal Party of Canada are anti-Semitic.

I meant that most members of the Canadian Left are either mildly critical of America or, as you go left, more critical than most. If lots of them just happen to be Liberals, then so be it.

Since then we have apparently progress to The Canadian Left being copycat of its European Socialist being. "progressive, anti-Globalist" Canadians.

Which it most certainly is becoming with every passing day. As an Alliance Man, I'm surprised you do not see this.

The last being I assume, comprised of NDP, Marxists, Anarchists, blue haired old ladies who vote liberal and anyone else 9 would care to throw in when he describes the Canadian Left. The Liberals support globalization, are not progressive so according to 9 ,fit where?.

Whoa! The Liberals in government, perhaps. They have a vested interest in the system. But what about the activists coming up through the food chain? I will bet you dimes, dollars (Canadian), to doughnuts that they are harder left than you are willing to admit. I would also bet that a bunch of them are anti-globalist types.

Now then. You know as well as I do that there is a general feeling of anti-Americanism on the Canadian Left, and I would include the Liberal Party in that mix.

If you cannot see the rise in extremism on the left (and in this I most certainly do include the Liberal Party) then I most certainly cannot help you.

btw , 9 is spending too much time thinking about who plays in left field . I belong and financially support the Alliance.

In that respect, please accept my apologies.

However, if Canadian Liberals are anything like Democratic Party liberals, then I think I should just rest my case right here.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

"They're basically cutting and running."

Tell that to the families of the Canadians who died over there.
BTW What exactly are YOU doing to help fight the war on terror?

"How many actual number of Canadians are left in Afghanistan?"

Whoevever your "source" is that said no Canadians
are left in Afgamistain needs to actully reserach their facts.

CF Operations as of 15 August 2002

Thanks for you post.

"We conservatives understand that the vile Liberals must go, and are doing everything we can to educate and awaken the somnambulant Canadian sheeple about the situation. Slowly, but perceptibly, we're getting the message across. I only hope that in the mean time, we don't succumb to the velvet fascism that Canada is becoming."

We agree. I associate socialism with sonambulism, as you do. I also associate it with adolesence. To the unconsious (sleeping) or the adolescent it makes sense that this world is a place where people should be taken care of. To the unconscious or the adolescent it makes sense that this world is a place where people ought to be served rather than being a place where people are free to serve themselves. The sleepers and the adolescents don't read the fine print, though. Yeah you sort of, kind of, get taken care of -- but you must give up your power and your freedom in the bargain.

Why do people stay asleep or never grow up? If you live in a socialist society -- perhaps you are better off asleep or in perpetual adolescence. Then you don't have to understand the situation you are in, and you never have to take responsibility for anything. At least that's how it must seem.

I hope the sleeping Canadians can wake up on their own, and soon - and that it doesn't require some horrific tragedy -- like happened here.

It's becoming more apparent that we're arguing degrees of "Left". Our Liberal government is not , say Communist and the support they receive would evaporate over night if it could be proven they were. Believing the Liberals have an interest in Globalization , but are secretly anti-global makes no sense. I'm not so much angered by the Liberals (I have several good friends who think liberal ) as the elitists among them People like Chretien, Martin, Rock, Copps , the Governor General are exceptionally repugnant.. Unions, Communists, Socialists, Anarchists , all on the far, far left fringe of the Canadian left make no secret of their
positions. Degrees of Left.

The Liberals and past Canadian Conservative governments support several programs which Americans regard as Socialist, Health care is the prime example.However if one looks at the social programs in place in the USA what do we have that you do not? I know Canadians are aware of the socialist influences on our lives. Are Americans aware of it on theirs? Canada has a bilingual policy and , like it or not, we have learned to deal , quite often with resentment, with it. Each day the use of Spanish increases in the US and it is not good enough to say "screw'em ,make them speak English". That attitude will eventually come back and kick you in the ass. Americans will need to deal with it , yet is bilingualism and the multiculturalism that eventually comes with it socialism or just plain common sense born from necessity? Wait and see.

One should understand that being anti-American is not the same as hating Americans. Canadians are not so much anti-American as pro-Canadian. We choose to be Canadian and defend our choice using the same methods Americans use defending theirs. You need only read some of the posters here and then understand that threats or criticism , in jest or otherwise, can be perceived as anti-Canadian. One poster talks about watching Canadian TV. Why is he doing that? And then he complains the commentators make anti-American remarks. Anti-American? Or is it just that they don't need to be sensitive to the American public and are just
expressing their honest opinions regardless who hears. Other FR posters ,on other threads last winter , made the comment that the CBC( with far fewer commercials ) carried more events and more non-American competitors than US TV. Does the US media believe that Americans were not interested in the Olympics beyond their borders? Or simply there isn't enough money in broadcasting anything other than American content. Is ignoring non American Olympic or other world events because there is no money in it a healthy position when , like it or not, everyone is forced to deal on a world stage. Someone says, " but I don't deal on a world stage". Really, look at the labels on anything in Walmart and how big is the US trade deficit versus surplus.

In times of crisis Canada has never turned it's back on the US and Ottawa is not an extension of the US government. To exist, to stay Canadian, we must beat our own drum. I remember the American people's anguish over Viet Nam., Indeed I had a high school classmate and recall a 1967 graduation/ farewell party to see him on his way to the USMC and ultimately Viet Nam. I also remember who made the big bucks and who suffered the big losses. And now we look at Iraq ?. Are we being told the truth? Is it another quagmire?

I have never heard a Canadian insult your flag, refer to your people as retarded or suggest , even in jest, that your troops were inadequate for the job or would run at the first opportunity. It's all on this thread directed our way and then Americans wonder why Canadians are anti-American.

Not only was this diatribe ripped right out of the DU playbook, but it was overlong. This boy needs to go get a real job and stop wasting working people's time.

Okay, now that you've explained yourself I understand a bit better.

My intention was to comment about the Canadian activist left in the university and on the "backbenches", as it were, of the Canadian parliament.

I understand that most Canadians, if not the vast majority of them, have no axe to grind with the United States and its people, unlike the author of the piece that started this thread. By mentioning my "substantial plurality" of members of the Canadian left, I should have been much more specific. Suffice to say, I suspect that most members of the Liberal Party have at least some disagreement with American foreign policy. I also believe that as you go into the activist wing of the party, you'll probably find a more frequent instance of anti-Americanism.

A mirror image of this condition can be found on FreeDominion, Canada's answer to this webpage, where the pro-Alliance views sometimes mix with a surprising amount of pro-Americanism.

What I fear is a creeping disease of Europeanism, in which the Current Wisdom that can be found on the pages of, say, The Guardian or The Independent finds its way into the Canadian body politic through the activist wing of the Liberal Party. While Canadian "anti-Americanism" may simply be, when all is said and done, a pronounced pride in being Canadian, the attitude of the European left borders on the vile. It is no accident that the anti-Semitism I spoke of earlier is most widespread in those countries that were spared Soviet occupation, France. Western Germany, and of course, the UK.

I simply fear the transmission of this vile disease to Canada in the guise of "anti-Zionism". The article posted above by NorthernRight is merely one example of what is going on. Do not be tricked by the fact that the Univerisity in question might want to disavow the article. I can almost guarantee that a significant number of that writer's colleagues share her prejudices. The elitists you mentioned, such as Chretien, cannot hold on forever. They will be replaced by those less principled than even they (if that is possible). How do I know? It happened here.

We have recently concluded an Administration led by one of the greatest cads in the history of the Republic. He was a young activist and a man of the Left in the Sixties. He "moderated" his politics to go up the food chain in the Democratic Party. And when he became President, he tried to nationalize our health care, he gutted our defense way beyond the recommendations of Les Aspin and Colin Powell, and he refused to take international relations with the seriousness with which it demanded. Finally, this man lied to a federal magistrate without so much as a by your leave, and his contemporaries, who rose to power with him, enabled him to the extent that he was able to remain in power.

I can only hope that if the same thing happened in Canada, the Liberals would be made of sterner stuff.

As to language: we don't have "laws" restricting Spanish, but there is a general consensus that as English is the language of business and the Law, it is best to teach kids English as quickly as possible. Like other immigrant groups in our history, Hispanics will adopt English as their language of daily use, as they begin to interact with the larger, non-Hispanic world. This is happening already. A significant majority of Hispanic parents in California have been in favor of a rigorous program of education in English. A lot of what you see here on FR is a cry for control of the Southern frontier, about which this and previous administrations have given only lip service.

In every great war of the Twentieth Century, Canada was there with us. Indeed, Canada was there prior to us in the First and Second World Wars. However, as the Iraq campaign approaches, I do note with some regret that the Patricias won't be by our side this time out. Apparently your Defense Minister, speaking for Chretien, I would suppose, has decided to bail on us.

Anyway, please don't get the impression that most Freepers, as well as most Americans, are anti-Canadian. We're not. Not by any means.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

And so I offer you this. As Canadians we expect all Americans to encourage WJ Clinton to be a houseguest of Mr.Chretien a.s.a.p. If Mr. Clinton is looking for work buy him a hammmer and saw , he can be the contractor..(Just say,"Bill ..It's free room and board!!" )

Wednesday, August 21, 2002
Group hangs a moon on Chretien
By David Gamble, Parliamentary Bureau

Prime Minister Jean Chretien is just out of this world, according to a taxpayers' group.

But he's no star according to the Taxpayer Action Movement, which awarded the PM its 2002 Scandal Award, which comes with some lunar landscape and the demand that he retire to the moon immediately.

"We gave him two acres -- one for a golf course because he loves to golf and the other to live on, to retire on," said Helene Labreche, president of the Montreal-based group that claims 2,000 members.

Why the lunar lots for the PM? Because, Labreche said, Chretien promised voters the moon and delivered a Black Hole. Chretien was selected by a majority of 5,000 visitors to the group's website (www.macquebec.org). Most voters referred to this year's advertising scandal in which Liberal supporters were given millions in federal contracts with little to show for the work, Labreche said.

Why are liberals such thoroughly amoral, unprincipled arrogant scum? That there is great affinity between Billy-Jeff and our own Johnny "'Ti-Gar" Cretin, is well known. But there are even more malfeasances in common.

Check out this piece by Andrew Coyne from yesterday's National Post.

Which one is the forgery?

Andrew Coyne
National Post

The mystery of the forged bank document deepens. Only now the mystery is not who tampered with a document approving a controversial loan by the Business Development Bank of Canada, but which document is the forgery. Or perhaps the real mystery is: What on earth have the RCMP been doing for the past 15 months?

To recap: In April of last year, the National Post received a document purporting to show that Jean Chrétien's family company, J&AC Consultants, was owed a substantial sum of money by the struggling Grand-Mère Inn, at the same time as he was pressuring the BDC, a federal Crown corporation, to bail it out with a $615,000 loan.

Mr. Chrétien, you will recall, sold his stake in the hotel to one Yvon Duhaime, a friend and constituent, in 1993. You will also recall the golf course next door, in which he still had a financial interest -- and which might have benefited indirectly from the hotel's receipt of the loan. Perhaps it could be debated whether or not that put him in a conflict of interest. But if indeed he were owed money by the hotel, there would be no room for argument. The Prime Minister's intervention to procure a loan for the hotel would then be of direct financial benefit to him.

No sooner had they learned of the existence of the Post document than both the Prime Minister's Office and the BDC dismissed it as a forgery. Some days later, the RCMP were called in to investigate. Yet what would appear to be a simple matter of comparing the copy sent to the Post, with its footnoted reference to a $23,040 debt payable to "JAC Consultants," to the original in the BDC's files, dragged on for months. And months.

This was puzzle enough. Yet having gotten precisely nowhere with its inquiries, the RCMP announced in December that "the investigation was being wrapped up." As the Post's Andrew McIntosh reported at the time, investigators were "unable to confirm" that the document was a forgery, yet "unable to conclude" that it was genuine.

Presumably, the force felt it could be left at that. Either someone was trying to frame the Prime Minister of Canada by means of a forged internal bank document. Or the Prime Minister was guilty of far worse than anyone had yet suspected. No matter: The investigation was being wrapped up.

Well, apparently it could not be left at that. Two weeks after the Post's story appeared, the RCMP raided the Montreal home of François Beaudoin, the BDC's former president, seizing his laptop computer. Suddenly, the force was quite sure of what it had been unsure of two weeks earlier. A sworn affidavit said the police needed the laptop as part of a criminal forgery investigation into the leaked BDC loan document.

It was Mr. Beaudoin who had refused to issue the loan to the hotel, until Mr. Chrétien made his fateful phone calls. It was Mr. Beaudoin who was later dismissed by the bank's board, allegedly because he wanted to foreclose on the loan. And it is Mr. Beaudoin whom the bank suspects of forging the document. Indeed, even before calling the cops, the BDC obtained an extraordinary court order, permitting it to search Mr. Beaudoin's property, and to "seize" and "destroy" any documents it found there. (No evidence was found that he had even possessed the document, nor has any been produced since.)

What caused the RCMP's change of mind? The Post's document may well be a forgery -- hence the Post's prudent decision not to publish its contents initially. But the only reason we have ever been given for believing it to be so is that the BDC says it is. And the only evidence cited in support of that belief is the document in the BDC's possession: the "original," it said, of the "copy" sent to the Post.

Yet for 15 months neither the RCMP nor the bank would release the document. It was only in July, when the RCMP made its unprecedented application for an "assistance order" demanding that Ken Whyte, our editor, hand over the Post's copy to their investigators, that we learned how utterly unreliable this evidence was.

For the "original" itself appears to be a forgery. The signature of Mr. Duhaime on the BDC's copy, cited in the RCMP's affidavit as evidence of its authenticity, is nothing like his regular signature -- as any fool could see. Yet somehow no one at either the bank or the RCMP caught this, or thought to check it out. The bank swore the document was the real thing, and the RCMP took the bank's word for it.

That doesn't prove the Post's copy, which contains no such signature, is genuine: They might both be forgeries. But of the two documents, the only one we know is a fake is the one in the BDC's files.

Any number of questions arise out of this fiasco. Who forged Mr. Duhaime's signature, and why? Why did the BDC seek permission to destroy the copy it accused Mr. Beaudoin of possessing? Why was the RCMP unable to decide, after eight months of work, whether the Post's document was a forgery, and why did it then suddenly and enthusiastically embrace the bank's assertion that it was?

And a final question. Is the RCMP merely guilty of monumental incompetence in its handling of this politically sensitive file? Or what else explains it?

Conflicts of interest, evidence tampering, interfering with high-level police investigations by high-ranking government officials (the PM?), etc. All this, plus the already sad history of incompetance, political cowardice, and G-d only knows what else. And arrogant liberalism.

Chrétien and the Liberals make me physically sick. I get a headache and nauseous just thinking about them.

I gotta go puke now.