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Open Letter to America from a Canadian (MegaBarf Alert!)
The Baltimore Chronicle ^ | 8.7.02 | W.R. McDougall

Posted on 08/18/2002 6:50:42 AM PDT by mhking

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To: NorthernRight
Thanks for the Lavant article. I like the National Post :-) I realize that there are some conservatives in Canada. And I also realize that most Canadians are wonderful people, just like most Europeans are nice, too.

Here's the problem -- and I don't really care if it pisses people off or not. Canada is so socialist that She is becoming a worry to me. Canada is not, so far, supporting an attack on Iraq. Canada joined the ICC and gave us a lot of trouble over it. Canada is too much into global government and the UN. Canada harbors terrorists by letting just about anyone in and does not do a very good job of policing the border. Canada is not prepared to defend Herself...

You get the point.

These are things that harm our relationship and they may become a problem. It is better to talk about them,imo, than sweep them under the rug and pretend that everything is cool. Everything is not cool and the kind of trash talk that the original letter that started this thread, and the article that I posted are examples of -- make me angry.

You might as well know, that the policies of your country and the anti-American bull crap that comes out of your country -- really irritates me. And I'm going to say so. And I'm going to complain about it. Just like I do about the trash coming out of Europe, or the crap that comes out of the far left here. I think free expression is a good thing.

You and I would probably get along famously and that's great -- but I don't care for the socialist policies that your country is enacting and I think there may come a point when Canada could begin to become a drag, rather than a friend. Do you see what I mean?

121 posted on 08/19/2002 12:38:33 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
what is a fair level of taxation? 20% of income? 30%? 40%? 50% more?

Is there one? And why is the government entiltled to tax your labour? Both of us ,I hope, know the answer.

122 posted on 08/19/2002 1:01:57 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: coteblanche; habs4ever; Notforprophet; pyx; coydog; freeforall; ClaraSuzanne
Before I leave my desk at this crooked multinational, go to the local Mcfatten for my burgers to go, and head home to watch the Cops Iran-Vietnam-El Salvador-Chile-Guatemala-Iraq Criminals and Killers Global Drug War Special on the Stupefy Channel, I thought I'd do something to really irritate Mr. W.R. McDougall; a sort of repayment in kind.

So, Mr. W.R. McDougall, this is for you . . .

123 posted on 08/19/2002 1:03:37 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: NorthernRight
I don't want to piss you off Amigo!
124 posted on 08/19/2002 1:11:40 PM PDT by watcher1
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Afganastain among other places.

Are you sure? I heard they all pulled out

125 posted on 08/19/2002 1:14:58 PM PDT by watcher1
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To: mhking
Your once-great nation has fallen into madness. . .

Well, gee. I guess I'll just point that your once-adequate nation is now basically a third-world, socialist banana republic, sans bananas.

126 posted on 08/19/2002 1:17:13 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: watcher1
Amigo!

Way to go Watcher. Bilingual! Your Spanish will serve you well in the coming years....

127 posted on 08/19/2002 1:26:00 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: IronJack
Being French... he's just mad that we didn't surrender.
128 posted on 08/19/2002 1:29:08 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Snowyman
Your Spanish will serve you well in the coming years....

Really? How's that?

129 posted on 08/19/2002 2:37:25 PM PDT by watcher1
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To: Sunsong
Re: your post #121 - I agree 100% with what you say.

Conservatives in Canada are distressed, no, distraught at the political situation up here. But it's not the people, but rather the corrupt, inept and thouroughly unprincipled government which is the cause of this distress. We conservatives understand that the vile Liberals must go, and are doing everything we can to educate and awaken the somnambulant Canadian sheeple about the situation. Slowly, but perceptibly, we're getting the message across. I only hope that in the mean time, we don't succumb to the velvet fascism that Canada is becoming.

You know, there are times when I pause and wonder at how the Canadian public can be so duped and inattentive at their own situation. How a populace so well educated and so supposedly informed, can accept the current situation, without complaint. I sometimes think that the Liberals have the sheeple so far in their thrall, that it might take years to fix the situation.

No wonder we have a "brain drain" - anyone with at least half of one, is gettin' the hell out!

And watcher1, in the future, please qualify your attacks on Canada and Canadians with the statement: "except Canadian Freepers of course". I'm going to be in Montréal in a couple of weeks; I'll have a scrumptious Dilallo Burger on your behalf!

131 posted on 08/19/2002 9:11:47 PM PDT by NorthernRight
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To: watcher1; coteblanche
"Are you sure? I heard they all pulled out"

I think you need some new "sources".


132 posted on 08/19/2002 11:35:25 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: mhking
LOL! I have to take this with a grain of salt and a tranq.

It seems he sent this to the Washington Post and they did not print it.(Iwonder why)

To him I say:

SSSSHHHHHHHPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

133 posted on 08/19/2002 11:45:04 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Snowyman

A little defensive, aren't we?

So, I think it is safe to conclude that I'm actually on to something, having struck such a nerve.

The Canadian Left is almost certainly a copycat of its European Socialist brethren across the pond. As to the Canadian Right, I have seen enough posts on FreeDominion.com to know that the Canadian Right is most assuredly not anti-American. So not only did I challenge your assertion that the Right was anti-American, but I smashed it, as well. Unless, of course, you think that Mark Steyn and the people at the National Post are raving Yank-haters?

As anti-Semitism rose in Europe, so it will rise among "progressive, anti-Globalist" Canadians. If it hasn't begun to do so already.

Scratch a Leftist, Find a Brownshirt.

Now run on back to DemocraticUnderground.com and play with the kiddies.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

134 posted on 08/20/2002 5:05:41 AM PDT by section9
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Hi correct me if I'm wrong.
Your own photos tell the story.
One photos caption says
"July 18,2002. All 800 troops.........
End their mission ..........in Afghanistan"

This confirms what I had already known.

135 posted on 08/20/2002 5:45:18 AM PDT by watcher1
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To: NorthernRight
"except Canadian Freepers of course".

NR, I might qualify my attacks with:

"Except some canuckistan Freepers of course."
I'll abbreviate it as "EscFoc"

Skip the burger.
Make a right turn on red instead

136 posted on 08/20/2002 6:21:05 AM PDT by watcher1
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To: Snowyman; section9
section9 sed:

The Canadian Left is almost certainly a copycat of its European Socialist brethren across the pond.

As anti-Semitism rose in Europe, so it will rise among "progressive, anti-Globalist" Canadians. If it hasn't begun to do so already.

It's already started...


National Post | Saturday » August 10 » 2002

U of T profs attack Israel for 'atrocities'
15 sign letter: Professor alleges 'crimes against humanity'

John Turley-Ewart
National Post

A University of Toronto professor has circulated a letter, signed by 37 Canadian academics, denouncing Israel for "atrocities" and calling on fellow professors to sign a pro-Palestinian resolution.

Sherene Razack, director of the Centre for Integrative Anti-Racism Studies at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, part of the University of Toronto, sent out the letter and resolution on April 29. It has since been posted on the Internet under the title: "Academics in Canada speak out."

In her letter, Prof. Razack, who teaches "race and knowledge production" and "radical education," states: "In the context of the current atrocities perpetrated against the Palestinians by the Israeli state and army, we, Canadian scholars ... and the University, find it imperative to stand up and denounce these crimes against humanity."

Prof. Razack signs off as the "Director, Centre for Integrative Anti-Racism Studies," and urges other professors to sign the resolution using their "position ... and affiliation."

The attached resolution calls on Canadian faculty associations to "show solidarity with the Palestinians by financially supporting" projects such as a "fact-finding mission to the Occupied Palestinian Territories to assess the damage to Palestinian society." It also claims that the "Palestinians have recognized the legitimate existence of the State of Israel," and refers to the Israeli army's occupation of Jenin, citing "many independent eyewitness accounts" of "atrocities beyond belief."

The resolution is signed by 37 professors, including Sarah Maiter, of Wilfrid Laurier University, who confirmed she signed the document when contacted by the National Post, as well as Heather Sykes, another OISE professor. Of the 37 signatories, 15 are affiliated with the U of T, the remainder with universities across Canada.

According to an OISE source, who asked not to be named, Prof. Razack sent out the letter and resolution using her university e-mail; on the letter she specifically asks respondents to reply to CIARS@OISE.utoronto.ca which is the centre's e-mail address at OISE.

Prof. Razack did not return calls from the National Post.

Simon Rosenblum, spokesman for the Canadian Jewish Congress, condemned the resolution as "a prejudicial, inflammatory and highly biased view" of the Middle East conflict that "pays no attention to Israel's attempts to achieve peace nor Israel's legitimate need for self-defence."

But Mohamed Elmasry, a professor of engineering at the University of Waterloo and the national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, said the resolution is a matter of academic freedom. "It is only through voicing different opinions on the same subject that we will be able to advance toward peace," he said, adding the resolution is "fair, reasonable and just."

Prof. Razack sent her letter more than a week after the Israeli military ended Operation Defensive Shield, in Jenin, a Palestinian refugee camp on the West Bank that was a launching point for terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. Some Palestinian leaders and Western media have alleged 500 Palestinians were massacred by the Israeli army. A subsequent United Nations report, based on accounts by both Palestinian and Israeli observers, found no evidence of a massacre or of crimes against humanity.

It confirms the deaths of 52 Palestinians, 38 of whom the Palestinian Authority acknowledges were armed, and 23 Israeli soldiers.

Prof. Razack's letter comes at a time when academics in Europe have been organizing boycotts of Israeli institutions in support of the Palestinians. In July, two Israeli professors were summarily dismissed by the editor of a British academic journal because of their nationality.

Meanwhile, about 1,000 professors have signed on to two anti-Israeli petitions on the Internet, one calling for the boycott of scientific institutions, the other for breaking cultural links with Israel.

Officials at OISE would not return calls from the Post, but in May, Cecilia Reynolds, the acting dean, sent a memo to faculty distancing OISE from the letter and from the impression that the resolution represented OISE policy.

"Persons who have added their signature to the resolution have done so as individuals," the memo stated.

Michael Fullan, the current dean of OISE, did not return calls from the Post, but the OISE source said the matter is before the Dean's Office. At issue is Prof. Razack's use of OISE resources to send her petition, and her decision to sign the resolution with her professional title and affiliation with the university.

Revelations about Prof. Razack's letter come at a sensitive time for Jewish university students in Canada. The recently released Anti-Calendar, a student guide to courses published by the university's Arts and Science Students Union, which represents 16,000 U of T students, is dedicated this year "to the memory of the Innocents, Afghanistan and Palestine murdered."

Terry Buckland, editor of the Anti-Calendar, would not agree to an interview, but told the university's student newspaper: "I just picked two areas of the world."

In the same paper, Frank Dimant, executive vice-president of B'nai Brith Canada, called the dedication "a horrible, horrible attempt to marginalize the Jewish community at the U of T."

The dedication has also prompted concerns among some Jewish students that the coming academic year could bring a repeat of events that have plagued other campuses. At Concordia University, in Montreal, anti-Israel protesters last year set up mock roadblocks manned by students dressed in Israeli military uniforms with the Star of David on their caps. They stopped all students before they could go to class. Many Jewish students have said they no longer wear yarmulkes on campus for fear of reprisals.

Lisa Isen Baumal, director of the U of T's Wolfond Centre for Jewish Campus Life, says Jewish students here have not faced the same problems as those at some other universities, but says, "This year, unfortunately, it might be a little bit different."

Already, Jewish students have taken their concerns to the university's race relations office and are seeking recourse through the Arts and Science Student Union, which receives funding through their tuition fees and is supposed to represent their concerns.

© Copyright 2002 National Post

137 posted on 08/20/2002 8:47:58 AM PDT by NorthernRight
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To: NorthernRight; Snowyman

Thanks for the pingo, Northern Right.

Any questions, Snowyman?

Now, it cannot not be argued (as Snowyman may have implied from my first post) that "all Canadian leftists are anti-Semites". That contention is philisophically unsound.

How and ever, the trend is there; having as its origins the fountainhead of most intellectual nonsense these days: academia.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

138 posted on 08/20/2002 8:55:39 AM PDT by section9
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To: watcher1
Hi correct me if I'm wrong.
Your own photos tell the story.
One photos caption says
"July 18,2002. All 800 troops.........
End their mission ..........in Afghanistan"

That was the departure of THAT particular battle group.
OTHER Canadian military are still there.
139 posted on 08/20/2002 9:07:05 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: mhking
I think this poster's camel is double-parked somewhere. My guess is he is an "instant" Canadian from somewhere a lot hotter and drier.
140 posted on 08/20/2002 9:30:04 AM PDT by ZULU
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