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To: uncbob
After that anything can be self taught through books

Like, how to talk to the tattooed redneck down at the hardware store? Or the tough-talking guy on the garbage truck?

As I noted above, my primary problem with home-schooling has much more to do with over-protective parents than it does with the education they give their kids. There are all kinds of people out there, and real-world living demands that one know how to understand and deal with them. Those are lessons that can only be gained by being around people who are not like you.

And yet, there's that class of home-schooling parent whose actions are precisely to limit their kid's access only to people just like them.

51 posted on 08/17/2002 11:10:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb; 2Jedismom; homeschool mama; BallandPowder; ffrancone; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; WIMom; ...
*Like, how to talk to the tattooed redneck down at the hardware store? Or the tough-talking guy on the garbage truck? *

These examples can be found at which public school again? Oh wait, aren't those people in the REAL WORLD?

:)

61 posted on 08/17/2002 12:08:10 PM PDT by TxBec
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To: r9etb
** There are all kinds of people out there, and real-world living demands that one know how to understand and deal with them. Those are lessons that can only be gained by being around people who are not like you. **

precisely! So why spend 7 to 8 hours locked in a classroom with kids your age when you can be out exploring the real world, including interacting with those both younger and way older than you? When my kids start working, they will not work at companies where everyone is the same age they are..

63 posted on 08/17/2002 12:13:29 PM PDT by TxBec
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To: r9etb
What is your answer then? Do you think that anyone of us has the right to tell parents how to parent? Are public schools better because boys can learn these games you speak of? Or learn how to talk to garbage men? (actually my son talks to our garbage man all the time because he is....home) I hear you talking but I don't hear any solutions.

And yet, there's that class of home-schooling parent whose actions are precisely to limit their kid's access only to people just like them.

You seem to have a problem with parenting here. I think time spent finding solutions to parents that don't give a flying fig at all about their kids is time better spent.

70 posted on 08/17/2002 12:41:14 PM PDT by Boxsford
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To: r9etb
Like, how to talk to the tattooed redneck down at the hardware store? Or the tough-talking guy on the garbage truck?

Most people learn how to interact with different people by actually interacting with them, and, contrary to the NEA talking points, the average homeschooling parent doen't keep his kids in a box. The homeschooled kid is quite likely to be accompanying his dad to the hardware store, and would be more likely to actually meet the garbage truck driver. This is natural human interaction. What the education industry means by interacting with diverse people is something different. They don't mean respecting people as individuals, but rather being forced to accept as healthy and normal all sorts of rude and sociopathic behavior among the student population.

What is seldom mentioned in discussions about homeschooling is the fact that same-age segregation is not natural, and is certainly not healthy. Anyone who has dealt with children knows about the chemistry of the herd. Children who congregate in groups are as likely as not to reinforce negative attitudes amongst themselves. Bullying is only one manifestation of this phenomenon. The veritable worship of popular culture is another.

My middle daughter is the first child we homeschooled. She has grown up to be a fine young women with has no social problems. She does have the cultural awareness to discern between healthy and destructive behavior, though, and I think that is really what the educrats are afraid of. Imagine what our society would be like if everyone believed in personal responsibility? Of chastity outside of marriage? In the unique greatness of America? No, they can't have that. Better to slander homeschooling families as wierdo hermits.

81 posted on 08/17/2002 1:29:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: r9etb
I will agree with you that there are overprotective homeschool parents; however, in my experience, it?s my hsed son who is getting into trouble for pulling the ps kids into a game of ?cops and robbers?, ?let?s see how big of a hole we can dig in my mom?s back yard (an activity I encourage), wrestling and tree climbing. It?s usually the ps kids who are regulated and stifled with safety rules. All of the hs parents I know believe strongly that boys should be boys and are very comfortable with the rough and tumble play. It?s the parents who have to teach their children to conform that won?t let them get dirty and who panic over a bruise.

It drives me crazy when my son?s peers don?t want to go outside and play in the snow ?because it?s cold and I might get hurt? and who cry when there?s splashing in the pool. I?ve seen this over and over and it?s always a relief when I find a like-minded mom who?s raising her son in a more natural manner.

150 posted on 08/17/2002 6:48:37 PM PDT by Marie
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To: r9etb
Sorry, but it seems to me you have a chip on your shoulder regarding homeschooling. The protective parents come in all schools. We homeschool our 12 year old, but I want him to be a man's man. He is! He does everything a public school student does PLUS! With all due respect, it really grinds me that the most critical people of homeschooling are the most ignorant of it. Seems standard of those who wish to impose their beleifs on everyone else.

"Like, how to talk to the tattooed redneck down at the hardware store? Or the tough-talking guy on the garbage truck? Like, how to talk to the tattooed redneck down at the hardware store? Or the tough-talking guy on the garbage truck?"

You talk to him in a CIVIL manner, just as the civilized people of our past times did. If they have a problem with that, ya KNOCK 'EM ON THEIR ASS! Oh, by the way, my kids also took about 4 years of Kung Fu as an extra experience to 'socialize with others of their age group. Heh Heh

Nam Vet

155 posted on 08/18/2002 12:37:26 AM PDT by Nam Vet
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To: r9etb
Like, how to talk to the tattooed redneck down at the hardware store? Or the tough-talking guy on the garbage truck?

As I noted above, my primary problem with home-schooling has much more to do with over-protective parents than it does with the education they give their kids. There are all kinds of people out there, and real-world living demands that one know how to understand and deal with them. Those are lessons that can only be gained by being around people who are not like you.

How does public school teach your son how to deal with the redneck? What do they teach him about it?

I went to public school. I had my first real dealings with "rednecks" after I graduated and started working.

Please tell, how would my life have been improved by a different or improved public school curriculum? How would homeschooling have damaged my ability to relate to "rednecks?"

176 posted on 08/19/2002 9:07:36 AM PDT by ffrancone
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