The Politics Of Temper In The Gun Rights Fight

March's California CCW Website ^ | 15 August 2002 | Jim March

[coloradan]

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[Shooter 2.5]

This is good advice from someone who's taking the right steps in reclaiming his government.
I have met some fire eaters that, I swear, worked for the other side with their childish rhetoric.
He has a couple of minor facts wrong that have been already discussed and straightened out right here on FR, but the advice should be taken by anyone upset with the present guys in charge.

[Xenon481]

This guy has a lot of very good points.

If you want to fight the system, you must use the system.

This is where my fellow libertarians and I come to a crossing. Many of us want things like social security to go away completely, but most libertarians aren't willing to make slow advances in that direction. Generally they want all or nothing.

Another good example is the deal about not voting because it only gives strength to the current flawed system. This is absolute BS (unless nobody voted). If you don't vote or aren't willing to use the provided system of change, then you are worse than a person who inadvertantly causes a problem; you are a person who sees a problem and doesn't do anything about it.

If you take drastic actions and get fed up with things, then you are only doing your cause harm.

Fight the system! Use the system!

[sparkydragon]

I've had the same problem. Sometimes I'm almost tempted to change my opinion on the basis of those supporting it. I'd rather speak to someone who had reasoned out an opinion different from mine than someone who supports me 100% with nothing but childish babble.

sparky

[sparkydragon]

I agree. There are only two ways to change the system. One is to use the system against itself. The other is to start a revolution.

sparky

[archy]

If you want to fight the system, you must use the system.

That doesn't seem to be working very well for Mike Hill. Somehow, these *routine traffic stops* in Ohio are starting to sound awfully familiar- almost like they're working from a list.... And when the courts are as corrupt as the other processes of government, playing their games is really just becoming a part of the ongoing corruption. I can as easily appreciate the viewpoint of those whio instead prefer to stand on their principles and fight it, or of those who refuse to support or contribute to it to the best of their ability.

When we reached a point in the Vietnam war where about 10% of the American people were supporting the other side, and about 20% were just withholding their support of *our* side, we lost.

It can happen again.

-archy-/-

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm hoping that if it comes to something really bad and the ballot box no longer works, I hope I have just cause so that there's a Police officer on my left and a Soldier on my right.

[Shooter 2.5]

Whatever happened in the Hill case?

[ninenot]

When we reached a point in the Vietnam war where about 10% of the American people were supporting the other side, and about 20% were just withholding their support of *our* side, we lost.

We lost Vietnam because LBJ and McNamara were running the war, not generals.

And the American public, including some REAL conservatives like my father, smelled the rat, and WOULD NOT support it.

Their rationale was very simple: it is flat-out IMMORAL to support a war which is poorly prosecuted. There are LIVES at stake, including American lives.

How many did we lose because of that lounge-lizard LBJ and the intellectualoid bedwetter McNamara?

[Copernicus]

While this author makes a point that would have been valid as recently as 1995, it a sad fact the number of "routine" encounters with the Law Enforcement Community is rapidly dwindling.

A growing number of ordinary citizens have become aware this as they move through airports, bus stations, "seatbelt safety" checkpoints and elsewhere.

Expect this trend to acclerate as the number of "good cops" retire or are forced out by corrupt Reno Justice Department implants.

Here is just one minor example which would be funny if it hadn't caused the individual involved so much grief.

Click Here

I will now take cover from the FreepPirhanana Feeding Frenzy which has dogged every Massillon thread since August 11.

Best regards,

[ResistorSister]

thanks for the ping

[Copernicus]

Note to self:

Of course,FreepPiranha should be spelled FreepPiranha.

[MileHi]

I will now take cover from the FreepPirhanana Feeding Frenzy which has dogged every Massillon thread since August 11.

It gets to be sickening doesn't it? The usual folks, the same sort who scoweled at those who opposed the King and called them traitors and anarchists.

[Copernicus]

It gets to be sickening doesn't it?

I'm not sure what to make of it. It almost seems to amount to a message board equivalent of a "denial of service" attack.

A few people with an inordinate amount of time on their hands show up and "squat" on the opening fifty posts of a thread with outlandish accusations, deliberate misinterpretations, ad homeniem attacks, one line wisecracks and suddenly an opportunity for a serious exchange of ideas is lost in a flurry of incomprehensible gibberish.

They are joined by a group of equally odd defenders who rise to the bait and respond with their own series of accusations, misinterpretations,ad homeniem attacks and wisecracks.

The signal-to-noise ratio can only go down hill when these guys get started,not to mention the pure mindless tribalism of it all.

This has already started on a child support thread where a fellow was involved in a shootout with a Swat Team of all things.

As the handle known as Wm. Bach observed:"Reaganism this ain't"

(I may have to steal, uh, borrow that phrase as my tagline for Free Republic)

My suggestion, so far unheeded, is to set up a specific "Emily Post" or "Roberts Rules of Order" forum where all posters will be held to strict standards of rigorous orderly behaviour.

It is possible to have heated disagreements in a strictly ordered debate format, but the participants must agree to the structure and uphold it voluntarily. Not something likely to happen in the main Free Republic Forum.

Maybe banglist readers might have some thoughts on this.

For what it is worth,

Best regards,

[Copernicus]

Well, doggoneit,I forgot to Carbon Copy the Banglist

[MileHi]

You, fellow FReeper, are one who I look foreward to engaging in the future. I am consevative with a small "c" and libertarian with a small "l" and enjoy a good joust from time to time. Some "conservatives" on this forum make me ashamed.

FReegards

[Copernicus]

Thank you for your kind remarks. I don't believe anyone has ever referred to me as a Freeper before. I'm not sure if I qualify. Meanwhile heads up for confusticating FreepPiranhas,they usually appear on Constitution related threads, especially when firearms are involved. You will recognize them when you see them.

[Billy_bob_bob]

Excellent article, well done. However, your approach does require a particular temperment, one that can handle dealing with bureaucratic nonsense and the kinds of dirty tricks that are commonly done regarding lawsuits. I know that I would not be able to deal with that kind of annoyance on a daily basis, having already once been through a multi-year lawsuit and having seen just how money driven the system really is.

I've chosen to fight back using an "Atlas Shrugged" strategy, that is to say that I've intentionally limited my productive activity to just enough to pay the bills, and not a whole lot more. Let somebody else earn the big bucks and get taxed at %50+ for their efforts. I'm tired of being rode hard and put away wet by this Marxist government, and I'm fighting back the only way I can. Oh, and I speak out a lot against the modern American empire.

But anyway, good job, keep up the good work. I'm glad there are people out there like you to fight back on the legislative front.

[Copernicus]

I've long held this society is as brittle as a porcelain cup-one tap in the right place and it will shatter in a million pieces.

The Arabs know this, the Chinese know this, the Hispanics know this and apparently Robert Kocher wrote a lengthy treatise on this very topic a few years back.

Click here for a long and thought provoking read