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Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
The American Partisan ^ | August 16, 2002 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 08/16/2002 12:37:18 PM PDT by rightwing2

Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
First of Three Parts
by David T. Pyne


August 16, 2002

Recent news reports indicate that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in an unprecedented move, has locked out the Joint Chiefs of Staff from further planning for the planned US invasion of Iraq. This action was reportedly taken due to recent leaks by some of our highest-ranking general officers of US war plans, who remain wary of fighting another war against Iraq this time without provocation or justification. While our top generals are not convinced that war with Iraq is a prudent course of action, those of our top policymakers who have never fought in a war are leading the charge to invade Iraq. The only combat veteran among them, Secretary of State Colin Powell has been wisely urging that caution be exercised by the President in getting the US into another war with Iraq and informing the President of all of the undesirable consequences that would likely result from such an unprovoked unilateral US invasion of Iraq.

According to polls, two thirds of the American people would support another US invasion of Iraq. Too many Americans dismiss the Iraqi military machine after the seemingly easy victory of 1991 during Operation Desert Storm achieved at the cost of only a few hundred US soldiers killed in action. Over the past few months, the news reports have been blaring with headlines announcing the Administration's secret plans to invade Iraq. Such planning has ranged from a full-scale 250,000 man invasion which would come closest to ensuring victory though at a potentially high cost in casualties during the war and ensuing occupation to one which would involve as few as 50,000 airborne and special operations troops. This contingency plan is based on the likely erroneous presumption that effective organized and well-armed opposition to Saddam exists and would take action if only the US 82nd Airborne Division were only to appear outside Baghdad to support it.

This last plan would likely result in total disaster for the US forces participating in it. The reason is that even after the destruction wrought upon it by the US armed forces during Operation Desert Storm, Iraq retains a large Army consisting of 424,000 men in 23 divisions including 2200 main-battle tanks, 3700 other assorted armored vehicles, 2400 major artillery weapons and up to 300 operational combat aircraft. It also has another 120,000 men in its internal security forces, which could be expected to defend Saddam from capture. After recent upgrades with help from the Communist China, North Korea and Yugoslavia, Iraq now boasts one of the best air defense systems in the world according to national security experts.

If anyone seriously believes that the nearly 550,000 defenders of Iraq are going to give up the fight at the sight of a mere 20,000 US light infantry troops landing near Baghdad, they are in for a big surprise. While the first US-Iraqi war did prove that much of the Iraqi military lacks the will to fight, it also proved that the tens of thousands of well-trained and well-equipped Republican Guard troops would likely to mount an effective and determined resistance to a US invasion. These Iraqi forces would outnumber US invading troops by over eight to one and could conceivably surround and capture large numbers of US troops before they could safely be extricated and before US reinforcements could be sent in to save them. In short, if the US were to commit the 82nd Airborne to the capture of Baghdad unassisted by heavier armor and artillery formations, it would undoubtedly result in the highest number of combat casualties since the Vietnam War.

Top policymakers in the Administration appear to have forgotten the lesson of Desert Storm which is that large numbers of troops with heavy tanks win wars in their desire to repeat the successes of Afghanistan in which 50,000 US Special Forces troops were able to beat a ragtag and poorly equipped Army of 47,000 Taleban and assorted Al Queda irregulars. A word of warning-Iraq is no Afghanistan. It would take at least 200,000 well supported and well-equipped US ground troops with plenty of tanks and tracked armored vehicles to win another war against Iraq. Anthony H. Cordesman, a former Pentagon official, now a senior fellow and Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies cautioned, "I think it is incredibly dangerous to be dismissive" of the Iraqi military. "To be careless about this war, to me, would be a disaster."

The grand coalition which former President George HW Bush organized to challenge the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait has long since been broken thanks to the polarization of the Arab world with the US-led war on terror and the Israeli war against Palestinian terror. If the US were to invade Iraq, it would likely do so virtually alone without any coalition allies. Even America's closest ally, the UK has voiced opposition to the US plan to invade Iraq. Only Israel would support such a war even though Israeli intelligence publicized the fact that Iraq has no discernable connections to the 9-11 terrorists. However, any Israeli military intervention against Iraq would further anger the entire Arab world against the US and possibly even risk an enlargement of the conflict.

It seems that the Bush Administration has failed to learn from the mistakes of the past and will embark on a course of regime change with the intention to kill or capture Saddam Hussein, which will ensure a no holds bar conflict that is most likely to maximize casualties on both sides. It would be far wiser to come to an accommodation with Saddam whereby he steps down in favor of another more acceptable successor and agrees to go into exile with immunity from prosecution. That would maximize the prospect for another victory at low cost in blood and treasure and might well eliminate the perceived "need" for the US to invade Iraq in the first place. It was recently reported that Hussein was considering formally stepping down from power in a bid to end UN sanctions on his country so such a development is not out of the question. It would be more sensible for the US to restrain itself to fighting one war at a time. An invasion of Iraq would not be prudent before the war in Afghanistan is finished. The Iraq warhawks in the Bush Administration would do well to consider why they have been unable to persuade any of their allies to support their planned unprovoked aggressive war against Iraq. ***

Next up: Part 2--Would another invasion of Iraq be justified?

© 2002 David T. Pyne


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; war
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To: ProudAmerican2
What is a legal war? War of self-defense

Self defence would work.

But not may someday be able to make , ect-ect.

181 posted on 08/16/2002 6:36:02 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Dr. Frank
"The bogus stories leaked to and planted in the New York Times about this or that 'plan to invade Iraq' are dubious".

Sure don't seem to be bogus stories.

182 posted on 08/16/2002 6:38:15 PM PDT by carenot
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To: RedwM
I mean that just taking out Saddam isn't necessarily an easy task. But I agree that once he and his government are out, the war will have been won.
183 posted on 08/16/2002 6:39:36 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Budge
Stupid is a better word.

Thank you! I didn't know how to say that!

I do not trust the Government, I don't care who is supposed to be in charge.

I am trying to find out, who is in charge.

184 posted on 08/16/2002 6:42:39 PM PDT by carenot
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To: yendu bwam
And I agree with you.
185 posted on 08/16/2002 6:43:12 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: Burkeman1
Let's review some common sense. Iraq is a house of cards. If we were to invade it would be over in about a week or two. Agreed? Now, do you think Sadaam is not aware of this or is he just so insane as to not care about his life or anything else? Remember. He is not even a believing Muslem but a socialist dictator. There is no Heaven with virgins for him. Sadaam would be dead if he were to allow his arms stockpile of chemical or germs to fall in the wrong hands or if he gave them to anti US Islamic Radicals for use here. He knows this.

Much truth here. But he is also likely to be a man hell-bent on revenge (given his profile and his culture). His attempt to assassinate Bush 41 only serves to help confirm this. His own death may not mean that much to him, compared with the possibilities for revenge (particularly since he's already an old man with a country full of lethal enemies). An truly evil man hell-bent on revenge with weapons of mass destruction is worth the the week or two you believe would be necessary to remove him.

186 posted on 08/16/2002 6:44:11 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Who attacked us on 9/11? Islamic fascist fundamentalists. What type of regime does Sadaam lead? A secular socialist quasi Stalinist state. After America, Russia, and Isreal who does Al Queda hate the most? Iraq and Sadaam. Why was Osama expelled from Saudi Arabia in the first place? Because he opposed US forces on Saudi soil and wanted to fight Sadaam only with Islamic Holy warriors. Whom did we allow Sadaam to crush after the gulf war? Islamic radicals in the South. Against whom did we support with arms, advisors, and intelligence for ten years in a war against Islamo Fascists from Iran? Iraq. Does Sadaam currently imprison, torture and execute Islamic radicals within Iraq? Yes. Is it even feasible that he supported the 9/11 attacks? No. Have we been given evidence of such that would convinve even Britain (our best ally)? NO. Is there evidence to suggest that large and powerful elements among our allies in Saudi Arabia and Eygpt knew of and supported the forces that perpetrated 9/11? Yes.

Why do we want a war with Iraq? Because it is simple and supports templates of war long ago written by policy wonks and the Beltway and doesn't disrupt existing relationships even though they should be massively reconsidered.

187 posted on 08/16/2002 6:47:47 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: ASA Vet
Is there any particular reason you left Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Sudan, and Somalia?
188 posted on 08/16/2002 6:52:40 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: yendu bwam
If he were that insane I would agree. But I don't think so. I tend to doubt the assissantion attempt against Bush. It was avenged for under Clinton and anything he did is suspect (really- any action of the Clinton administration is just not believable on even one subject.) But even if so- and Sadaam is an insane freak hell bent on revenge. I still don't fear him or his regime- it would be over in a couple of weeks. What I fear is the fallour afterwards and a prolonged never ending US presence in Iraq and the Mideast.
189 posted on 08/16/2002 6:53:02 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
I support a war against Saudi Arabia, Eygpt and Syria before Iraq.

We may get a war against all of 'em before this is over. But only Iraq has weapons of mass destruction (including anthrax, at a minimum).

Do you think Saddam would use anthrax against us if he could?

If so, do you believe we would be justified in a pre-emptive attack, hoping to head off an attack on us that had not happened yet?

Just curious.

190 posted on 08/16/2002 6:53:36 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: Burkeman1
Why do we want a war with Iraq?

Your screed is way off base. There is no love lost between Saddam and Al-Qaeda, but they have cooperated in the past. They are linked by their common hatred of America. In answer to your above question, NOBODY wants a war with Iraq. Our president believes its necessary to preclude a madman with weapons of mass destruction from using them on American citizens. And he's right.

191 posted on 08/16/2002 6:54:33 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: RedwM
I believe the Israelis would use nukes on Iraq, where would that lead?

A faint glow over Baghdad? I don't know, what do you think?

192 posted on 08/16/2002 6:56:43 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Burkeman1
Fair emough. But the president and many others (a majority of Americans) do fear Saddam's WMDs. Yes, there will liekly be a mess in Iraq. But better one that doesn't threaten millions of Americans than one that does.
193 posted on 08/16/2002 6:59:10 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: EternalHope
No- I don't think Sadaam would use Anthrax against us even if he could. But if he could it still would not be justification for a premptive attack. Do you support an attack against China because they can launch nukes against us first? And what about our so called "allies"? You don't think Syria has a nuke program? Or Eygpt? Or Saudi Arabia? Those are all countries that can afford it and are open to the type of trade that makes it feasible? Don't be naive. We know of dozens of countires that have the same programs and that are not friends to America. Iraq is a point on a board for Beltway empire builders and they have been calling for war against Iraq for years. And the shameful use of 9/11 to justify this in the face of evidence that points to our "allies" in that region should give us all pause!
194 posted on 08/16/2002 7:06:41 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: yendu bwam
I don't care what the majority of Americans believe. The majority of Americans also believed that Clinton was a good President and opposed his impeachment. I follow truth. And the truth is that there is a hell of lot more evidence to invade, conquer, and rule Saudi Arabia than there is Iraq. But the Beltway and foreign policy "experts" have their templates and I guess we will go to war against Iraq. And after the war is done our President will dine with some of the same men who really bankrolled 9/11. And like everything else we will read the truth 100 years later in text books.
195 posted on 08/16/2002 7:11:18 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Do you support an attack against China because they can launch nukes against us first?

C'mon there Burkeman1. Can you not really tell the difference between these two cases?

196 posted on 08/16/2002 7:12:08 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Burkeman1
And the truth is that there is a hell of lot more evidence to invade, conquer, and rule Saudi Arabia than there is Iraq.

Really? What are the odds of a WMD of Saudi Arabia being used against us? Well, zero, since they don't have one. How about Iraq?

197 posted on 08/16/2002 7:13:27 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: wattsmag2
I'm for anything that convinces those people that they should stop messing with us until they have a good reason. Enough of this decadent American crap that they're always spewing.
198 posted on 08/16/2002 7:14:19 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: yendu bwam
Interesting argument. Mine is this. the only weapons of mass destruction to be used in the united states was taken over, manned, and piloted by 15 Saudis and a couple of Egyptians and not one Iraqi. Have we had any sort of real effort from those regimes in aiding us? NO! IN fact we were slapped in the face and continue to be. But you want to invade Iraq. Hell, why not. IF I were a beer drinking American joe who watched NBC and Fox News I would want to as well.
199 posted on 08/16/2002 7:22:23 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: demlosers
But I think you are against Bush's policy against pre-emptive strikes against an nations that would cause our nation harm. As President, his highest duty is to protect our national security and defent the Constitution. In an era of Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, I do not think we have the luxury to wait for an attack on our shore. We do not need absolute proof to attack evil governments who scheme to do us harm. A propensity of evidence will suffice. Waiting for Americans to die at home and knowingly you could have prevented it, is not acceptable. I am sure the Bush Administration and the Pentagon Brass will come to an agreement.

Agree. Sometimes one can walk away from a rattlesnake, and sometimes one can't. If you have a gun it's best to shoot the snake BEFORE it bites.

200 posted on 08/16/2002 7:24:17 PM PDT by Selara
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