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Gulf war figures question Iraq plan: Schwarzkopf says U.S. needs a coalition
MSNBC ^ | August 16, 2002 | MNSBC

Posted on 08/16/2002 11:22:11 AM PDT by ejdrapes

http://www.msnbc.com/news/788858.asp

Key figures involved in the Persian Gulf War have questioned America’s preparedness for another attack on Iraq. Retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf and former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft say international support is critical for a campaign to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

SCHWARZKOPF, SPEAKING on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” also argued that the United States will need better intelligence before it attempts a “regime change” in Iraq. He noted that during the Persian Gulf War, when he led the international coalition that defeated Iraq, the military was never able to locate Saddam Hussein. Schwarzkopf commanded a force that involved more than 40 nations in 1991 and the general said a coalition in favor of ousting Saddam was essential. “We have to have that kind of support,” he said. Schwarzkopf told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Thursday that a military campaign without the assistance of Saudi Arabia would be difficult. More than 200,000 American troops were based in the desert kingdom during the 1991 war but the Saudi leaders have refused to help in a new attack on Iraq.

Separately, Scowcroft, a former national security adviser to President Gerald Ford and former President George Bush, warned against moving on Baghdad while the war on terrorism in progress. In the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, he wrote there was little evidence linking Saddam to terrorist organizations and “he is unlikely to risk his investment in weapons of mass destruction, much less his country, by handing such weapons to terrorists who would use them for their own purposes.”

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To: Naplm
"I have a feeling some of it is out there is for Iraqi consumption.

I agree. My opinion is that it is the sabre rattling which is for Iraqi consumption, since we are nowhere near being ready to attack. I just hope that the loud threats don't become an unintended, self-fulfilling prophecy -- as the American public whips itself into a frenzied, war-feverish corner. Few thought WWI would ever come to pass...

81 posted on 08/16/2002 3:21:35 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
Here is my problem with Genral Schwarzkopf and Brent Scowcroft. Neither one knows what intel Bush has and neither one thinks that the time will not come when we have to deal with Iraq.

Scowcroft wrote that the time mya come when we need to deal with Iraq but the time isn't now. How could he possibly offer an informed opinion on that?

General Shwarzkopf stated on Imus that his concern was the lack of froward basng. How does he know what deals have already been cut?

He further stated that if there was evidence that Iraq was close to nukes, then we would have to do it. Today, Israel announced that Hussein was either in possession of or close to nuclear capability.

Shwarzkopf's opinion on how to defeat the enemy on the battlefield should be welcomed and respected. His opinion on whether or not it is time to go is IMHO, uniformed.

82 posted on 08/16/2002 3:22:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Always A Marine
nation which has not attacked us

Thats bullshit.

We were attacked on September 11 by Islamic extremists that are a part of an international Jihadist terrorist network, of which Iraq is a sponsor and a very real threat to the security of our country.

3,000 Americans died in an hour that day, that will NOT happen again, and towelheads will NEVER BE ALLOWED to get the bomb or any other chemical or biological weapons.

BUH BYE Saddam.

The next raghead who thinks he is going to support actions against the USA is going to think twice after Saddam and his country are DESTROYED.

83 posted on 08/16/2002 3:28:14 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Always A Marine
I understand what the MPS is used for, my point is, all the beans and bullits won't be comming from all that far away
84 posted on 08/16/2002 3:28:45 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: jwalsh07
I would argue that Schwarzkopf and Scowcroft know what the Joint Chiefs and CINCCENT know, and that POTUS and SecDef aren't keeping anything from the JCS or Gen Franks. It is my opinion that Schwarzkopf, Scowcroft and Dick Armey are speaking on behalf of many senior officers who question the war plans of civilian leaders who have ignored their expert military advice.
85 posted on 08/16/2002 3:29:13 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Rome2000
You sound very certain that Iraq was behind 9/11; I believe Saudi Arabia was far more involved.
86 posted on 08/16/2002 3:30:45 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
Saudi Arabia could very easily be the next country we attack, it's a fake country run by a bunch of scum anyway.
87 posted on 08/16/2002 3:33:25 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Rome2000
"Saudi Arabia... is a fake country run by a bunch of scum anyway."

I couldn't agree with you more.

88 posted on 08/16/2002 3:37:15 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
I believe they were all in colusion. Soudi, Iraqi, Palistinian and Iranian, the part I don't get is Khadafi comming out on our side, maybe it was the f-111 whoopass that Reagan handed him that sent him down the path of humblness.
89 posted on 08/16/2002 3:38:39 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: VaBthang4
We already have the best coalition in place. We have the Israelis, the Brits and the Turks. Who else do you need?
90 posted on 08/16/2002 3:46:59 PM PDT by Davea
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To: demlosers
The incompetence of the Iraqi military from top to bottom isnt in question here or anywhere. Probably not even in Iraq.

Yes they left their flank open...as a direct result of the Marine forces offshore...but Schwarzkopf left the back door open. He had an opportunity to extend the conflict...when Powell asked, Schwarzkopf said we have them encircled and we can declare a cessation of hostilities, that he didnt need anymore time...It was only McCaffrey's savvy [After the declared cessation] that led to many fleeing Iraqis dying on that highway [save the air assaults].

91 posted on 08/16/2002 3:50:22 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Always A Marine
I would argue that Schwarzkopf and Scowcroft know what the Joint Chiefs and CINCCENT know, and that POTUS and SecDef aren't keeping anything from the JCS or Gen Franks.

If you argued that, you'd be calling General Shwazkopf a liar. He stated explicitly that he did not have a need to know and did, in fact, not know any intel.

If he and Scowcroft do know what they have no need to know, somebody needs to go to the stockade. Their time is over, they are civilians.

92 posted on 08/16/2002 3:54:15 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: demlosers
I agree...somewhere between there and January. The Liberals will however make hay out of them giving permission to the President [Much the same way they did in 1990].

That could drag things out a bit after the election [If Conservatives do not exploit the current situation and maintain a majority].

93 posted on 08/16/2002 3:54:42 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
yes, your right, if it wasn't for McCaffrey's assault on the highway of death, Iraq would have escaped with a large chunk of it army intact.
94 posted on 08/16/2002 3:57:00 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: Always A Marine
You sound very certain that Iraq was behind 9/11; I believe Saudi Arabia was far more involved.

Undoubtedly Saudi was involved but we have no evidence of a Saudi operative meeting with Atta in Prague. We do have evidence that Atta and al Ani, an Iraqui operative who was then deported, did meet in Prague.

And the House of Saud is not a clear and present danger to launch nukes at Tel Aviv or smallpox in Anywhere, USA. Hussien is crazy, it is not rational to assign rationality to an irrational asswipe like Saddam. His goal in life is to be spoken of in the same breath as Saladin.

95 posted on 08/16/2002 3:58:21 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
I heard the interview on Imus, and he did say he was out of the loop on what the President or the JCS might know.
Although, they are not civilians, they sure are not on the need to know list.
96 posted on 08/16/2002 4:01:17 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: Naplm
They're both retired, that makes them civilians. Of that, I am sure. :-}
97 posted on 08/16/2002 4:04:55 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: weikel
I respect the general but there should be no talk of needing the Saudis now....

I also see the Saudis as culprits and since they aren't with US they must be against US. But .... General Schwarzkopf clearly is one of the leading experts in the world on this subject and his views have to be considered.
98 posted on 08/16/2002 4:06:36 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: jwalsh07
I wonder if WE DO have more on the Soudi regime (9-11)
than we let on, we seem to tread so lightly around them because of the oil issue, that pis_ses me off!
99 posted on 08/16/2002 4:06:59 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: Always A Marine
I forgive your condescension.

...and understand your position...my calling Schwarzkopf a bafoon does not require disregard of other variables involved in being a Commanding General. However you give him credit for things that ultimately are requirements. What he lacked was leadership skills. He was a large loud Man with stars. Barry McCaffrey was far and away the best ground general involved in the conflict. Col Warden the architect of the Air campaign was smarter and comprehended the enemy better than Schwarzkopf.

Schwarzkopf's inability to recieve or acknowledge intel from the CIA & NSA is a dead giveaway.

He is self centered to a fault. His ego got in the way of being able to see the battlefield as well as his commanders saliently. Leaving Franks in command of the 7th was a good example of this. He [Franks] should've been relieved of his duty as commander.

His schizophrenic desire to hit the Republican Guard units en mass caused the delays that led directly to many Guard units being able to flee back to Iraq.

Other than being competent of the AO and the surrounding culture, Schwarzkopf offered nothing else that any other Army 4 star infantry general couldnt have. IMHO

100 posted on 08/16/2002 4:08:18 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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