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Top Republicans Break With Bush on Iraq Strategy
The New York Times ^ | 08/16/2002 | TODD S. PURDUM and PATRICK E. TYLER

Posted on 08/15/2002 7:30:56 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, Aug. 15 — Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.

These senior Republicans include former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft, the first President Bush's national security adviser. All say they favor the eventual removal of Saddam Hussein, but some say they are concerned that Mr. Bush is proceeding in a way that risks alienating allies, creating greater instability in the Middle East, and harming long-term American interests. They add that the administration has not shown that Iraq poses an urgent threat to the United States.

At the same time, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who summoned Mr. Kissinger for a meeting on Tuesday, and his advisers have decided that they should focus international discussion on how Iraq would be governed after Mr. Hussein — not only in an effort to assure a democracy but as a way to outflank administration hawks and slow the rush to war, which many in the department oppose.

"For those of us who don't see an invasion as an article of faith but as simply a policy option, there is a feeling that you need to give great consideration to what comes after, and that unless you're prepared to follow it through, then you shouldn't begin it," one senior administration official involved in foreign policy said today.

In an opinion article published today in The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Scowcroft, who helped build the broad international coalition against Iraq in the Persian Gulf war, warned that "an attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counter-terrorist campaign we have undertaken." An attack might provoke Iraq to use chemical or biological weapons in an effort to trigger war between Israel and the Arab world, he said.

His criticism has particular meaning for Mr. Bush because Mr. Scowcroft was virtually a member of the Bush family during the first President Bush's term and has maintained close relations with the former president.

Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska said that Secretary Powell and his deputy, Richard L. Armitage, had recently told President Bush of their concerns about the risks and complexities of a military campaign against Iraq, especially without broad international support. But senior White House and State Department officials said they were unaware of any such meeting.

Also today, Lawrence S. Eagleburger, who was briefly secretary of state for Mr. Bush's father, told ABC News that unless Mr. Hussein "has his hand on a trigger that is for a weapon of mass destruction, and our intelligence is clear, I don't know why we have to do it now, when all our allies are opposed to it."

Last week, Representative Dick Armey, the House majority leader, raised similar concerns.

The comments by Mr. Scowcroft and others in the Republican foreign policy establishment appeared to be a loosely coordinated effort. Mr. Scowcroft first spoke out publicly 10 days ago on the CBS News program "Face the Nation."

In an opinion article published on Monday in The Washington Post, Mr. Kissinger made a long and complex argument about the international complications of any military campaign, writing that American policy "will be judged by how the aftermath of the military operation is handled politically," a statement that seems to play well with the State Department's strategy.

"Military intervention should be attempted only if we are willing to sustain such an effort for however long it is needed," he added. Far from ruling out military intervention, Mr. Kissinger said the challenge was to build a careful case that the threat of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction calls for creation of a new international security framework in which pre-emptive action may sometimes be justified.

Through his office in New York, Mr. Kissinger relayed a message that his meeting with Secretary Powell had been scheduled before the publication of his article and was unrelated. But a State Department official said Secretary Powell had wanted Mr. Kissinger's advice on how to influence administration thinking on both Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Scowcroft wrote that if the United States "were seen to be turning our backs" on the Israeli-Palestinian dispute "in order to go after Iraq, there would be an explosion of outrage against us."

He added: "There is a virtual consensus in the world against an attack on Iraq at this time. So long as that sentiment persists, it would require the U.S. to pursue a virtual go-it-alone strategy against Iraq, making any military operations correspondingly more difficult and expensive."

Richard N. Perle, a former Reagan administration official and one of the leading hawks who has been orchestrating an urgent approach to attacking Iraq, said today that Mr. Scowcroft's arguments were misguided and naïve.

"I think Brent just got it wrong," he said by telephone from France. "The failure to take on Saddam after what the president said would produce such a collapse of confidence in the president that it would set back the war on terrorism."

Mr. Perle added, "I think it is naïve to believe that we can produce results in the 50-year-old dispute between the Israelis and the Arabs, and therefore this is an excuse for not taking action."

Senator Hagel, who was among the earliest voices to question Mr. Bush's approach to Iraq, said today that the Central Intelligence Agency had "absolutely no evidence" that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.

He said he shared Mr. Kissinger's concern that Mr. Bush's policy of pre-emptive strikes at governments armed with weapons of mass destruction could induce India to attack Pakistan and could create the political cover for Israel to expel Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza.

"You can take the country into a war pretty fast," Mr. Hagel said, "but you can't get out as quickly, and the public needs to know what the risks are."

He added, "Maybe Mr. Perle would like to be in the first wave of those who go into Baghdad."

For months, the State Department's approach has been to focus on how to build a government in Iraq.

After meetings here last week involving Iraqi opposition groups and administration officials, one official said today that there was now consensus in the State Department that if more discussion was focused on the challenge of creating a post-Hussein government, "that would start broaching the question of what kind of assistance you are going to need from the international community to assure this structure endures — read between the lines, how long the occupation will have to be."

Such discussions, the official added, would have a sobering effect on the war-planners.


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To: AIG
China gets the vast bulk of foreign investment of any developing country.

You are making the same mistake Japan did. They were just like you after the war. Their domestic economy grew at a fast rate because of offshore investment and cheap labor. Japan was seen as the next super power economically. They were rolling in dough and they provided workers to the world. Then those workers started demanding a share of the pie. Gradually labor costs rose to, at one point, higher than the United States, foreign investment dropped and now Japan teeters on the brink of bankruptcy on a consistent basis. You are making your predictions based on the number of warm bodies you can put to work. That is a double-edged sword because at some point they will demand their share of the pie and given China's history, that will end in one of two ways. Another revolution or rising labor costs that will result in having to compete on an equal footing with regard to the labor costs. China has one real asset available on which to base its economy for the foreseeable future and that a tremendous supply of un-skilled labor. Once that labor is too expensive, that advantage becomes a liability.

221 posted on 08/15/2002 10:21:02 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: general_re
China is certainly still a developing country. But it's just progressing faster and more effectively than today's Third World republics (India, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Turkey, S. Africa, etc.), which are plagued by legislative gridlock and majority-poor populations and thus majority-socialist politicians who oppose capitalist reforms. China's authoritarian government can enact economic reforms much more expeditiously. Despite 50 years of democracy, India has yet to enact basic labor reforms that would allow private businesses to hire people when they want to and fire people when they want to, or basic land reforms that allows private real estate transactions to occur. This year, China will exceed $50 bil. in direct foreign investment for the first time, which is more than all the other developing countries put together. So while China still has a long way to go, it's more promising than every other large developing country.
222 posted on 08/15/2002 10:23:17 PM PDT by AIG
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To: Texasforever
Japan's economy today is in bad shape, but the tremendous leap that Japan made from Third World to First World status over the past several decades was no "mistake," as you say, or bad thing. Let's worry about getting China rich first before. In fact, getting China rich to the point that its per-capita GDP is on First World's levels is virtually the entire goal. Then China can adopt democracy at that time, if it wants to. The rest of E. Asia got rich under one-party rule over the past 50 years and exports, so China is merely following this proven, effective path.
223 posted on 08/15/2002 10:27:37 PM PDT by AIG
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To: AIG
China will not really get going until it can allocate capital efficiently. It won't do that with a centrally directed economic system and insolvent banks, protectionist barriars, and a dysfunctional legal system that cannot be trusted by investors. It will for so long as that obtains be a poor man's Japan.
224 posted on 08/15/2002 10:28:09 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AIG
Then China can adopt democracy at that time, if it wants

That is the ass backward logic that ensures that China will never be "1st world". It will just be the "1st world's" sweatshop.

225 posted on 08/15/2002 10:31:21 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Torie
China's banks have problems because they have to support inefficient, overmanned state-sector industries. But China is trying to lay off its state-sector workers as we speak, a process which has led to labor unrest but ultimately will make the banks healthier. Also, China's willingness to lay off people in the first place indicates China's strong desire to move toward capitalism, which is a good thing.
226 posted on 08/15/2002 10:32:14 PM PDT by AIG
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To: AIG
"I'm just disabusing Americans of the notion that Chinese don't use the internet with facts."

On the topic of Chinese internet use:

If a Chinese citizen reads Free Republic and prints up some of its pages, would he be subject to arrest and imprisonment?

227 posted on 08/15/2002 10:34:58 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: AIG
The problem is that to have a reasonably healthy first world economy you need a free information and rule of law economy, non centrally directed. For that to happen, the authoritarian facist Chinese government would have to go. It shows no signs of doing so, and retricts all of the above. Thus China has a second class economy glass ceiling, into which it will be bumping its head.
228 posted on 08/15/2002 10:35:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Texasforever
The rest of E. Asia followed a one-party path toward First World economic status over the past 50 years and only afterwards adopted democracy. This is not "ass backwards" but what actually has occurred in E. Asia's modern history. Go read a history book. While you're at it, read about the European "enlightened despots" of the 18th century who helped set the stage later for modern democracy in the French and American Revolutions by codifying the laws, private property rights, etc. that allowed middle-classes to grow, which became the foundation of modern democracy. Remember, it was the "bourgeoisie" who led the French Revolution.
229 posted on 08/15/2002 10:35:59 PM PDT by AIG
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To: Texasforever
It will just be the "1st world's" sweatshop.

"Upper Volta, with missiles," as Helmut Schmidt wisely described the Soviet Union...

230 posted on 08/15/2002 10:37:07 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Torie
Today's Third World republics have all the freedoms you speak of; however, they lag China economically by a wide margin. So your theory doesn't hold water. Remember, China does really get 20 times more foreign direct investment than India. Freedom in today's Third World republics has only meant endless legislative gridlock and needless delay of economic reforms. Theory is one thing, but you have to start paying attention to reality.
231 posted on 08/15/2002 10:38:59 PM PDT by AIG
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To: AIG
E Asia really doesn't have viable democracies anywhere except Japan, which lost a war, Taiwan to some extent, which is a special case, and to some extent S. Korea, which is also to a large degree a client state. The rest are all shakey on a host of Western norms, including fair elections and the impartial application of the rule of law by a truly independent judiciary.
232 posted on 08/15/2002 10:40:24 PM PDT by Torie
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To: general_re
Yep. If one of the oldest civilizations on earth is still in the development stages, I think that, possibly, it needs to rethink its development model.
233 posted on 08/15/2002 10:41:27 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: AIG
I don't mean to suggest that the Chinese are other than a hard working and determined people. But there are destined to hit a glass ceiling soon without major changes, and it will be far short of even prosperous second world status.
234 posted on 08/15/2002 10:42:05 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pokey78
How about Gerald (make Puerto Rico a state) Ford?...What did that mental giant have to say about it?
235 posted on 08/15/2002 10:44:24 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Torie
Whoever said those democracies were stable or healthy? They're jokes. They might be better off reverting to their one-party rulers they had before because those rulers seemed to perform economically better, especially in Taiwan's case. Taiwan grew fabulously rich under one-party rule over several decades and then after adopting full-fledged democracy in the last 2 years, Taiwan's become an economic basketcase with massive capital flight. Same with Russia. Massive capital flight.
236 posted on 08/15/2002 10:44:53 PM PDT by AIG
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To: Pokey78
This is why the Democrats make absolutely sure that they all speak the same story. We joke about talking points being faxed every day, but you see what happens when people on the other side go out and say their own opinions? The press pounces on it in order to create the impression of disunity and weakness.

The next step for the Times is to use this as a weapon to try to force Bush to abandon furthering the war on terrorism because his "advisors" are split on what to do.

-PJ

237 posted on 08/15/2002 10:45:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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The world wants us to sit back and absorb the next attack ... likely to be exponentially more destructive. Bush's daddie's boys agree. I reackon we will. Maybe we will get serrious next time around. Maybe.
238 posted on 08/15/2002 10:46:14 PM PDT by mercy
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To: AIG
I take it you think most places would do better with authoritarian regimes. That is precisely the mentality which makes this planet a dangerous place, particularly to the extent that notion is extant in China.
239 posted on 08/15/2002 10:46:54 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
First things first. Authoritarian government to pass economic reforms expeditiously without the trouble of legislative gridlock, developing a majority-middle class population as a result, and then possibly adopting full-fledged democracy later. This pattern happened in Europe in the 18th century and the E. Asian "tigers" in the last 50 years.
240 posted on 08/15/2002 10:47:38 PM PDT by AIG
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