[Torie]

I suspect both groups will be eager to share the blame, as well as secular Anglos. The competition will be fierce to share the honors.

[LarryLied]

So what? The Democrat Party is full of traitors. Why help Stalin put an ice pick in Trotsky's head? Why help Himmler do away with Roehm?

That is the roughly the battle which is going on. The Mussolini style corporatists vrs the true socialists. As we can see from Global Crossing, Enron, union pension failure, Rubin and MacAuliffe, the corporatists have much more power and do far more damage than the progressives.