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To: krodriguesdc
You know, doc, you really need to address those interpersonal relationship skills. You have no clue how to carry on a discussion.

No, I am not from quackwatch.

So let me ask you, doc, do you believe that vaccines have been effective in eliminating or reducing polio, smallpox, and other diseases?

And you never answered my question, what, exactly, is "dis-ease"?

And what do the letters "dc" at the end of your screen name mean?

24 posted on 08/15/2002 3:50:15 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
again I have answered all of your questions in my posts - what is Dis-ease?...

Here is your answer from post #18 - "In this article we begin to address the subject of vaccinosis, the general name for chronic dis-ease caused by vaccines".

secondly, I think there are questions that need answers concerning the true efficacy of vaccines - so - in essence I am unable to give you a definitive answer on this - more research is needed to sort that out...

for instance consider the work of Edward Hooper who reports in his book The River that the AIDS epidemic was caused by the administration of a million doses of an experimental vaccine for polio in Africa in the 1950's...

this is troubling to me because Hooper makes a very convincing case...

thirdly - you called me doc - why - I have never referred to myself as doc in any of my posts on FR...

25 posted on 08/15/2002 4:45:44 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: TomB
please read the article below and tell me if you think that vaccinations alone will help these people?

in fact some of these people who will die probably have been vaccinated yet they still succumb to disease...

...link to below

Press Release/WHO 63

Health conditions aggravate Southern Africa famine

Food aid must be accompanied by the provision of basic health services to avert tremendous loss of life triggered by the ongoing drought, the World Health Organization says today.

Devastating health conditions are putting 12-14 million people within Southern Africa at particular risk during the ongoing shortage of food. Rainfall failure has trigged a crisis which is being exacerbated by a combination of long-term deterioration in health services, the ravaging AIDS epidemic and serious economic problems facing countries in the region.

"Weakened by hunger, many people will die of diseases. They could have survived these if properly nourished - if they had produced adequate food or been able to purchase the food they need," says Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland, WHO Director-General. "We are particularly concerned about data coming in from the field showing a doubling of life-time risk of maternal mortality in some areas, the continuing rise in tuberculosis, acute respiratory infections and malaria. We fear there could be at least 300,000 “extra” deaths during the next six months because of this crisis."

The conditions are resulting in increased malnutrition levels particularly among children. One Malawi survey, for example, showed child malnutrition levels increasing from 6% - 19% in three months. These children are more susceptible to illness. This is already causing higher mortality rates in all groups, with a crude mortality in some areas exceeding one per 10,000 people per day which means we are already facing a severe humanitarian crisis.

"We're staring catastrophe in the face - unless we get food aid fast to millions of people whose lives are in the balance because they are starving," said World Food Programme Executive Director James Morris, who is also the UN Secretary General's Special Envoy to the region. "With each passing month the situation will get worse if we don't receive more food, water and medicine," he added.

WFP is currently doing a second round of assessments with results expected in mid August; these may well show a marked increase in the number of people at risk. According to present estimates, seven million people require food now, rising to a peak of 12.8 million at the end of the year. To date, WFP has been feeding 4.6 million.

People living with HIV have reduced immunity leading to increased death rates. HIV/AIDS in the region has severely hit the working population, often leaving households headed by very young or very old people. People with AIDS are less able to work in the fields, and the cost of caring for them also puts further pressure on families.

The prevalence rates in the six countries average at around 24.9%, ranging from 16.4% IN Malawi to 33.7% in Zimbabwe. In Malawi 470,000 children have lost one or both parents to the epidemic.

Figures from Malawi show that while the number of deliveries at health facilities have decreased by 7%, maternal mortality rates recorded in these health facilities increased by 71%, due to malnutrition and poor health status, lack of prenatal care and the weak capacity of the health system.

As of April this year, WHO has reported a total of 22 023 cases, including 609 deaths( case-rate fatality rate, 2,8%) in Malawi while WHO considers that a case-fatality rate should be of less than 1% for cholera. This is a clear indication that people, weakened by the lack of food, more easily succumb to disease.

The number of deaths can be greatly reduced by improving basic health care for particularly vulnerable groups in parallel with distributing food aid. In addition to encouraging essential help from international and non-governmental aid agencies, WHO is working to strengthen the countries' own capacity to provide health care in the worst affected areas. WHO is supporting health ministries with access to medicines, improve staffing and ensure that the health situation is carefully monitored. WHO is also assisting governments in co-ordinating the relief efforts carried out by aid agencies, non-governmental agencies and other actors, to ensure the most effective response possible.

The emergency appeal for Southern Africa includes $40m for health and nutrition activities in addition to the need for over $500m for food. This financial support is essential to avert a major humanitarian catastrophe over the coming months.


26 posted on 08/15/2002 5:06:23 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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