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To: krodriguesdc
your lack of medical knowledge is so large that it is only seconded by your ego!

After quoting a lengthy paper on ''whole'' cell Pertussis vaccine and the observation of waning immunity, the fact that we use ''acellular" vaccine appears to have been forgotten!

The fact is no offices have used whole-cell in our area for years!

Lastly, increasing evidence of new contagion and spread of wild Pertussis is appearing in the American population.

I'm conjecturing that incomplete immunization in the community has permitted evolution of a Pertussis variant that must not be completely prevented by the Aventis or Glaxo Smith Kline vaccines.

Now, when these totally preventable diseases kill, where will you be mister?

As if we can rely on your medical expertise to successfully intubate, run IV antibiotics, quantify hemodynamics, and then wonder why the chiropractors are allowed to call themselves a doctor.

If we do smallpox this way, we should just surrender!
234 posted on 08/20/2002 8:49:40 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
your lack of medical knowledge is so large that it is only seconded by your ego!

Ditto

as I said - you'd never make any of my decisions concerning my health...

After quoting a lengthy paper on ''whole'' cell Pertussis vaccine and the observation of waning immunity, the fact that we use ''acellular" vaccine appears to have been forgotten!

The fact is no offices have used whole-cell in our area for years!

Lastly, increasing evidence of new contagion and spread of wild Pertussis is appearing in the American population.

wow - vaccines are really effective at providing immunity...

I'm conjecturing that incomplete immunization in the community has permitted evolution of a Pertussis variant that must not be completely prevented by the Aventis or Glaxo Smith Kline vaccines.

your wrong here too... wow what's good for Aventis and GSK is good for me, my children and the rest of The USA...

vaccinations have failed to totally protect the public as they have promised to do...

your here answer will be to vaccinate again and again - and if that doesn't work - keep vaccinating some more...

you have no other answers - you vaccinate, give medication, and then surgery - how come there are people in this country who have never been vaccinated and have never had a problem?

Now, when these totally preventable diseases kill, where will you be mister?

telling it like it is mister - just like I am doing now - I have only asked parents to think through their vaccination decisions - you in turn have told them that they are mandated and must regardless of their questions and/or objections have their child(ren) vaccinated. Have you ever heard of informed consent?

As if we can rely on your medical expertise to successfully intubate, run IV antibiotics, quantify hemodynamics, and then wonder why the chiropractors are allowed to call themselves a doctor.

what does this have to do with vaccinations - are still grinding your axe?

If we do smallpox this way, we should just surrender!

you surrender mister - I am going to continue to do as I have done to protect myself and mny loved ones...

235 posted on 08/21/2002 1:01:14 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: bonesmccoy
here's the link...

According to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, childhood diseases decreased 90% between 1850 and 1940, paralleling improved sanitation and hygienic practices, well before mandatory vaccination programs. Infectious disease deaths in the U.S. and England declined steadily by an average of about 80% during this century (measles mortality declined over 97%) prior to vaccinations.

In Great Britain, the polio epidemics peaked in 1950, and had declined 82% by the time the vaccine was introduced there in 1956. Thus, at best, vaccinations can be credited with only a small percentage of the overall decline in disease related deaths this century. Yet even this small portion is questionable, as the rate of decline remained virtually the same after vaccines were introduced.

Furthermore, European countries that refused immunization for small pox and polio saw the epidemics end along with those countries that mandated it. (In fact, both small pox and polio immunization campaigns were followed initially by significant disease incidence increases during smallpox vaccination campaigns, other infectious diseases continued their declines in the absence of vaccines. In England and Wales, smallpox disease and vaccination rates eventually declined simultaneously over a period of several decades.

It is thus impossible to say whether or not vaccinations contributed to the continuing decline in disease death rates, or if the same forces which brought about the initial declines--improved sanitation, hygiene, improvements in diet, natural disease cycles--were simply unaffected by the vaccination programs. Underscoring this conclusion was a recent World Health Organization report which found that the disease and mortality rates in third world countries have no direct correlation with immunization procedures or medical treatment, but are closely related to the standard of hygiene and diet.

Credit given to vaccinations for our current disease incidence has simply been grossly exaggerated, if not outright misplaced.

Vaccine advocates point to incidence statistics rather than mortality as proof of vaccine effectiveness.

However, statisticians tell us that mortality statistics can be a better measure of incidence than the incidence figures themselves, for the simple reason that the quality of reporting and record-keeping is much higher on fatalities. For instance, a recent survey in New York City revealed that only 3.2% of pediatricians were actually reporting measles cases to the health department. In 1974, the CDC determined that there were 36 cases of measles in Georgia, while the Georgia State Surveillance System reported 660 cases.

In 1982, Maryland state health officials blamed a pertussis epidemic on a television program, "D.P.T.--Vaccine Roulette," which warned of the dangers of DPT; however, when former top virologist for the U.S. Division of Biological Standards, Dr. J. Anthony Morris, analyzed the 41 cases, only 5 were confirmed, and all had been vaccinated.

Such instances as these demonstrate the fallacy of incidence figures, yet vaccine advocates tend to rely on them indiscriminately.


238 posted on 08/21/2002 5:06:31 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: bonesmccoy

Dammit Jim I'm a doctor - trust me...

I'm sorry I coudn't resist :)

255 posted on 08/21/2002 11:18:55 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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