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To: Poohbah
"If there was an armed insurrection first? Wrong-o, me boy. They'd put down the insurrection, just like they did from 1861 to 1865."

Did I say anything about an armed surrection first? Why are so many here trying to misrepresent my points to make theirs? If Hitlery tries to mass confiscate guns, for example, you would have a dynamic response and an unpredictable outcome....not so cut and dried like you think.

"Yup, they'll sack the people who appointed them. Sure. Right.

Some of us are aware that these people pledge an oath to the Constuitution and not the officeholders. Certainly not to Hitlery, that anit-military witch.

"The history of military coups in the world do not support your rosy scenario. What would be more likely to happen is that any officers who did overthrow the duly elected civil authorities would "temporarily" assume "emergency powers" for the next 25-50 years or so."

That may be true in the rest of the world, but America is hardly comparable. Too many people are left in the fabric of America who are not wooed by the cult of personality that has effected so much of the world, with militarys pledging allegiance to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini etc. We have a proud tradition of military warriors who act in the nation's interest, as I believe many are who are against going to war on Iraq.

"How many troops? Where are they stationed?"

I can't tell you that because I dont know, but its in the thousands, quite possibly tens of thousands....there have been reports that they are at military bases in every part of this country and that number is to increase. Official statements by civilian and military spokesmen have said they intend to increase this number to "protect" us against terrorist threats, and allegedly train these troops to be able to go back home. If you are really interested in this, you need to go to infowars.com, persue some of the articles under this topic and order and look at some of the documentary footage shot by Alex Jones, where you can actually witness the foreign troops being trained jointly with Americans, and actual gun confiscation drills taking place.

But by the nature and tone of your post, I doubt you will. Derision, scorn and ignorance seem to be your three best friends.

503 posted on 08/15/2002 3:21:50 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
"If there was an armed insurrection first? Wrong-o, me boy. They'd put down the insurrection, just like they did from 1861 to 1865."

Did I say anything about an armed surrection first?

Yes.

Why are so many here trying to misrepresent my points to make theirs? If Hitlery tries to mass confiscate guns, for example, you would have a dynamic response and an unpredictable outcome....not so cut and dried like you think.

Nice attempt to weasel out of your earlier remarks.

"Yup, they'll sack the people who appointed them. Sure. Right.

Some of us are aware that these people pledge an oath to the Constuitution and not the officeholders. Certainly not to Hitlery, that anit-military witch.

I am intensely aware of that, unlike you, because I have actually sworn such an oath. And I am telling you that the military is not going to join your glorious people's revolution. They obeyed the orders of President Bill Clinton, despite his being at least as "anti-military" as Hillary.

You see, Hillary, in your scenario, would have one thing that you never will: legitimacy. Being the duly elected President carries a lot more weight, in terms of whose orders to obey, than being a loud and obnoxious "vanguard of the glorious people's revolution."

"The history of military coups in the world do not support your rosy scenario. What would be more likely to happen is that any officers who did overthrow the duly elected civil authorities would "temporarily" assume "emergency powers" for the next 25-50 years or so."

That may be true in the rest of the world, but America is hardly comparable.

We've never had a military coup in this country before, so we have no database for you to draw such a happy conclusion from. If it does happen, it would represent such a profound break with the traditions of the American military that all bets would be off.

I would suggest reading Col. Robert Dunlap's "The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012," written in 1992. It was published in Parameters, which is the official journal of the US Army War College, and is available online at the Parameters website.

Too many people are left in the fabric of America who are not wooed by the cult of personality that has effected so much of the world, with militarys pledging allegiance to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini etc.

Nope. That's why it's exceedingly unlikely that they'll do anything against a President that has been duly elected in accordance with the Constitution, even if laws that conflict with their personal views of the Constitution are passed--they leave the questions of deciding what is and isn't Constitutional to the judicial branch.

We have a proud tradition of military warriors who act in the nation's interest, as I believe many are who are against going to war on Iraq.

And when the word comes that they are to go to war on Iraq, they will respond with a loud, "Aye aye, sir" and turn to.

"How many troops? Where are they stationed?"

I can't tell you that because I dont know, but its in the thousands, quite possibly tens of thousands....there have been reports that they are at military bases in every part of this country and that number is to increase.

Let me get this straight: you know (by means that you do not disclose) that their are thousands to tens of thousands of foreign and UN troops in America, but you don't know how many or where they are.

You may thank God Almighty that you aren't in Sister Margaret's Social Studies class--she'd probably take the ruler to you as if it were a kendo stick for handing in a paper in that fashion :o)

However, it does illustrate that, as usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

Official statements by civilian and military spokesmen have said they intend to increase this number to "protect" us against terrorist threats, and allegedly train these troops to be able to go back home.

Ah, you must be referring to the NATO AWACS aircraft.

If you are really interested in this, you need to go to infowars.com, persue some of the articles under this topic and order and look at some of the documentary footage shot by Alex Jones, where you can actually witness the foreign troops being trained jointly with Americans, and actual gun confiscation drills taking place.

Yup, we tend to confiscate guns from hostile troops and auxiliaries when we fight wars.

But by the nature and tone of your post, I doubt you will. Derision, scorn and ignorance seem to be your three best friends.

Ignorance is YOUR drinking buddy, not mine.

As for derision and scorn: they are merely your due.

507 posted on 08/15/2002 3:43:28 PM PDT by Poohbah
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