[Jolly Rodgers]

Actually,if you read the history on this case(Luers)you will note he was part of the anarchist/enviro movement,not the commie/enviro movement.

One in the same. The Eugene anarchist movement is communist to its core.

It seems from reading the links that he has some different forms of support,both prisoner support and media interest in his case. He is claimed to be a "political prisoner" because he claimed to be making a statement about the polluting qualitys of sport utility vehicles,which I would deem to be political in nature.

I'm sure he fancies himself an eco-warrior. However, the truth is rather more simple. He is a common criminal who has been used and discarded by the communist organizations masquerading as environmentalists.

His supporters claim he recieved a much harsher sentence due to his avowed stance as an anarchist.They claim the average sentence for arson acts of this nature is around 2-4 years,whereas he got 22 years.

They "claim" a lot of things. Most of them blatant lies.

The funny thing is the average late model SUV pollutes a lot less than your average VW bus or old beat up subaru wagon such as the ones the greenies use to hop around in.

Kind of ironic, isn't it? I still contend that the motivation is not defense of the environment, but rather offense against humanity. They are human haters.

I'll admit the pollution standards for pickups and SUV's are not as stringent as for passenger cars,if they were the same these people would'nt have anything to bitch about. I will admit someone driving back from Safeway with a couple bags of groceries probobly does not need to use a Suburban to do this,but my Grandma drives a big Caddy, drives very little and burns very little gas-this may be the case with alot of people too. I only use my Suburban for special trips to work in the woods,otherwise I drive the Nissan around town,it's alot better on gas.

That's great. However, it really doesn't matter. If I choose to drive a 4X4 Excursion to commute to work in the city and never take it off road, that is my business. I buy the gas. I make the payment. I buy the tires. Others may not make the same choice as me, but they have no right to dictate their choices to me. Likewise, I have no right to mandate what they may purchase or drive, either.

Note: I don't really drive an Excursion, but I would if I wanted to. hehehe

[seventhson]

I do not feel I have a right to tell you what to drive,but the US goverment does.Pollution standards as well as fuel consumption standards are mandated by the goverment,as you know if you've ever bought a car in California.It would seem that these levels are set because some people only think of themselves,and don't care about air quality and fuel reserves for the rest of the 5-6 billion other bodies on the planet.DEQ emmision tests serve the same function. Do we have an inherent right to drive big cars? I can't talk,but I do try and limit driving my big rig as much as possible. I will admit I'd rather get hit in the Suburban as opposed to the Nissan. But this is a big overall question-are we as humans only responsible to ourselves,or are we funtioning parts of a civilized society?And if the "rocket scientists" in DC tell us we can't drive big cars,are our rights being infinged upon? I am an individualist,and I don't like people or goverment telling me what to do,but on some matters,such as finite resources,I try to be conservative,not because I'm told to,but because I feel it's a good idea.Oh,by the way,Luers claims to be a "primitivist" anarchist,as opposed to a "syndicalist" one,these people feel the industrial system cannot be reformed to benefit the workers,for example redistributing the wealth commie style they feel would not accomplish anything.They call for the collapse of the industrial system,and a bunch of other scary nonsense.Obviously they don't belive in the power of unions.