[Don Joe]

"If I recall correctly, pride was to go before the Fall."

You don't recall correctly. (Presuming that you were trying to recall the Bible verse that begins with pride and ends with fall.)

Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall, but that's immaterial to the topic at hand, namely your implied suggestion that "It doesn't matter if the whole world hates us" is an expression of pride.

It's not. It's a simple statement of fact. The flip side of it is the realization of what we would need to become if our goal was to have the world not hate us.

And that's something only a fool would wish upon his country.

So, you might want to dig into your Strongs, Youngs, or Crudens to see what the Bible has to say about foolish people and what befalls them.

[andy_card]

(Presuming that you were trying to recall the Bible verse that begins with pride and ends with fall.)

You mean, of course, Proverbs 16:18. I know it well.

that "It doesn't matter if the whole world hates us" is an expression of pride. It's not. It's a simple statement of fact. The flip side of it is the realization of what we would need to become if our goal was to have the world not hate us. And that's something only a fool would wish upon his country.

I may be foolish, as you suggest, but I'll support my country whether it has a hundred allies or none at all. But only a punch-drunk proud S.O.B could possibly say that it doesn't matter whether the rest of the world is against us. Of course it does. It means everything. We must either love each other, or we must die. (w/apologies to Lyndon Baines)