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To: honway
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?
17 posted on 08/12/2002 1:58:38 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Aria
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?

An airplane smashed into each tower.

18 posted on 08/12/2002 1:59:42 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Aria; snopercod
There was a story posted to Free Republic, about a middle-Eastener who had gotten past the security of the World Trade Center, in the weeks prior to the attacks.

He used an ID which somehow is related to another story that was posted here, about some middle-Easteners who had success in obtaining ID's from the State of Tennessee's Dept. of Motor Vehicles.

This was some months ago ... maybe in February or March, those stories ran here.

It was theorized that the middle-Eastener who had gotten the pass(es) which affected his way around the World Trade Center, had managed to shut down some of the emergency water supply, either manually or had planted a bomb.

25 posted on 08/12/2002 2:44:20 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Aria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/655625/posts?q=1&&page=75#75

Link

The FEMA Report does not explain how the sprinkler system was disabled, based on their investigation they concluded it was disabled. Many simply conclude that the crash itself disabled the sprinkler systems. However, I have too much confidence in the design engineers to readily assume there was no redundancy in the sprinkler system so that the system could still function in the event of a localized catastrophic event such as an explosion or plane crash.

You combine that with the story of the criminal Muslim unlicensed plumber admitting to working on the sprinkler system days prior with no record at the Port Authority and you get my attention. Additionally, the company that Sakhera Hammad supposedly worked for, Denko Plumbing, doesn't exist, even though it is registered to a man using an alias with the State of New York.

Additionally you have the murder of Katherine Smith, a Hammad co-conspirator in the driver's license fraud. It's an interesting story that you can read more about at the above link.

26 posted on 08/12/2002 2:49:13 PM PDT by honway
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To: Aria; Poohbah; Shermy; snopercod; Squantos; harpseal
See: License suspect had WTC repair pass, but Port Authority did its own work [Tennessee License Scandal], GoMemphis.com, February 16, 2002, by Bartholomew Sullivan (posted by Shermy).
A photo ID pass for Sept. 5 found on one of the men charged with fraudulently obtaining a Tennessee driver's license from a Memphis woman gave him access to the six underground levels of the One World Center building.

But which tenant hired Sakher 'Rocky' Hammad, 24, to work on its sprinklers is lost, said Port Authority of New York and New Jersey spokesman Alan Hicks on Friday.

Hammad told federal authorities that he was working on the sprinklers six days before the twin towers were brought down by terrorists, court testimony revealed this week.

But Hicks said the Port Authority, which owned the building, did its own sprinkler work, and that any other work involving sprinklers would have been arranged by an individual tenant.

"We don't know (which one) because all our records were destroyed in the World Trade Center, as were some of the people who know that," Hicks said.

Small details about the five Middle Eastern men arrested Feb. 5 with Tennessee driver's license examiner Katherine Smith are slowly surfacing. Smith died Sunday in a fiery car crash, a day before she was to appear in court. It appears that Khaled Odtllah of Cordova shared the same 2840 Morning Lake Drive address at different times over the past year with Rocky Hammad, according to an online people finder database.

Odtllah and Hammad also spent time in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn in 2000 and lived about 22 blocks apart near New York Harbor.

Calls to the telephone number for Magic Plumbing and Heating Inc. on 93rd Street in Brooklyn were answered Thursday and Friday by a recording that said "Rocky's" voice-mail box was full. Hammad had the firm's business card, according to a government exhibit introduced at this week's detention hearing.

Hammad also had a New York City Police Benevolent Association card, a plastic Detectives Endowment Association Inc. for the Police Department of the City of New York card, two video rental cards, an ATM card and a First Consumers National Bank MasterCard.

Hammad's cousin, Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad, also obtained a Tennessee driver's license last year. He's in the country illegally after overstaying a visa.

Venezuela-born Mohammed Fares, 19, allegedly told authorities that he needed a Tennessee driver's license to drive for Big Boss, an export-import clothing store in New York's garment district. Big Boss Enterprises bookkeeper Hussein Nasser said by phone Friday that he had received several recent inquiries about Fares, but that he'd never worked there. [CYA? Or did he apply for a job there?]

So far almost nothing is known of Mostafa Said Abou-Shahin, 26, a self-employed Egyptian carpenter living in the United State illegally.

All five men are being held without bail at the pretrial facility of the Federal Correctional Institution in Memphis.


29 posted on 08/12/2002 2:51:41 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Aria
The water supply for the WTC buildings was only designed to handle a huge fire in one of the buildings. When both buildings were hit there was not enough water to handle both.

The same was true of the pentagon. If that 4th plane had hit the other side of the Pentagon the entire Pentagon would have gone up in smoke. Our entire headquarters for our military would have been destroyed. That includes all the records. Had it succeeded there would not have been the rapid response to Afghanistan. The resourses stored in the pentagon would have had to be recreated first.

The first step in defeating a nation is to take out its military command and control. It is what we did to Sadam in the Gulf war. The worlds 4th largest military became a joke once we destroyed its command and control.

If we had lost our primary command and control we would not be so safe today.

Conversely if only one plane had hit the WTC only a few hundred would have died. You'll recall the tower that was hit last went down first. The first tower was going to make it with the sprinkler system beating down the fire. When the second tower was hit and its sprinklers ativated, there was not enough pressure and capacity to send water to the top of either building. The second building never got any water and fell first.

34 posted on 08/12/2002 3:00:25 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Aria
The waterlines were severed by the plane impact.
42 posted on 08/12/2002 3:14:45 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Aria
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?

In a word, sabotage. Kathleen Harris, the woman who gave out false licenses in Tenn, was killed in a highly suspicious car fire. Her car was seen with the passenger compartment fully involved in flames BEFORE it crashed. Fire fighters said the fire was strange in that it kept reignighting.

Some sick f really likes to burn people.

47 posted on 08/12/2002 3:24:36 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Aria
* Images of the burned car owned by Katherine Smith * alternate title: How Arabs Kill Witnesses:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/628729/posts

There are links imbedded in this thread that provide a wealth of information. Some of it might even be true...
62 posted on 08/12/2002 5:08:18 PM PDT by null and void
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