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To: PatrickHenry
Show me the passages in the Federalist Papers that give the scriptural justification

I can't think of any in the Federalist Papers. OTOH, it's hard to deny the influence of the Bible concerning the Constitution (and Declaration of Independence.)

It is impossible to overstate how important the Judeo-Christian tradition was IN guiding the Founders' deliberations. Yet, in recent years, we've virtually ignored this aspect of our history. This is from a July 2 Linda Chavez column:

As scholar Michael Novak points out in his excellent little book "On Two Wings: Humble Faith and Common Sense at the American Founding," "Professor Donald Lutz counted 3,154 citations in the writings of the founders; of these nearly 1,100 references (34 percent) are to the Bible, and about 300 each to Montesquieu and Blackstone, followed at considerable distance by Locke and Hume and Plutarch."

Now let's take a look at Blackstone in second place. Blackstone's Commentaries and lectures were big sellers in the Colonies. He's the one that perhaps best articulated the concept of Natural Law:

Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his creator, for he is entirely a dependent being. A being, independent of any other, has no rule to pursue, but such as he prescribes to himself; but a state of dependence will inevitably oblige the inferior to take the will of him, on whom he depends, as the rule of his conduct: not indeed in every particular, but in all those points wherein his dependence consists. This principle therefore has more or less extent and effect, in proportion as the superiority of the one and the dependence of the other is greater or less, absolute or limited. And consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his maker for every thing, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his maker's will.

This will of his maker is called the law of nature. For as God, when he created matter, and endued it with a principle of mobility, established certain rules for the perpetual direction of that motion; so, when he created man, and endued him with freewill to conduct himself in all parts of life, he laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that freewill is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws.

Considering the creator only as a being of infinite power, he was able unquestionably to have prescribed whatever laws he pleased to his creature, man, however unjust or severe. But as be is also a being of infinite wisdom, he has laid down only such laws as were founded in those relations of justice, that existed in the nature of things antecedent to any positive precept. These are the eternal, immutable laws of good and evil, to which the creator himself in all his dispensations conforms; and which he has enabled human reason to discover, so far as they are necessary for the conduct of human actions. Such among others are these principles: that we should live honestly, should hurt nobody, and should render to every one his due; to which three general precepts Justinian has reduced the whole doctrine of law.

This quote echos the Patrick Henry quote: "Christianity is part of the laws of England" but stated that the law of England "gives liberty, rightly understood, that is, protection to a jew, turk, or a heathen, as well as to those who profess the true religion of Christ."

I think it's safe to say America is founded on Christian values.

336 posted on 08/14/2002 10:44:51 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
I think it's safe to say America is founded on Christian values.

We're talking about two very different things. No one denies that the Founders and Framers were Christians -- most of them, with a sprinkling of deists, etc. No one denies that the US wouldn't have happened in any other kind of society. No one denies that America is nice, Christianity is nice, everything is nice. There are a thousand lovely speeches to that effect, and I don't deny the sentiment. But that wasn't my point.

I was saying that there is no scriptural basis for the fundamental, organic law of this country. Where is the Biblical reference for a federal republic? For a two-house legislature? For a short list of the specific powers granted to the legislature? For the Electoral College? For a division of government into three co-equal branches? For a Bill of Rights? For a trial by jury? I could go on, but I know you get the point I'm making -- these things aren't scriptural. They're not in the Bible. Thus, in that context, they aren't Christian. They're nice, but not Christian.

341 posted on 08/15/2002 8:00:47 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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