Skulls Found in Africa and in Europe Challenge Theories of Human Origins

NY Times ^ | August 6, 2002 | By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

[Aric2000]

Careful reading of Genesis, challenges Genesis, when something contradicts itself as many times as the bible does, you know the people that put it together were a little whacked in the head, or else god is, but I don't think god is whacked, so the guys that put that book together must be.

[PatrickHenry]

Spoken like a true kool-aid drinker believer. I asked you a question a while ago in a simlar thread. You never answered. Care to try again?

I don't remember your earlier question. But judging by your latest post, I'm not surprised that I didn't bother responding.

[Ahban]

I'm glad for your last.

[PatrickHenry]

That was good.

[PatrickHenry]

As you know, there are a few chronic posters to these threads who give your position a bad reputation. I don't recall having any beef with you.

[Ahban]

Please enlighten me on the "contradictions" you reference in Genesis.

[Aric2000]

Study it a bit, and I mean study it, you should be able to enlighten yourself quite sufficiently all by yourself. If you are into logical thought that is.

Have fun, and come back to me when you find those contradictions, because I would be very interested if you find the same ones that I did. Because you will find them, if you are truly looking.

[JimSEA]

Perhaps it is time to revisit the Australian and Javan findings and think of many centers rather than "only Africa".

[gcruse]

The future is....panspermia.

[Verginius Rufus]

Yet another revision of history.

Also a revision of geography: someone should tell The New York Times that the Republic of Georgia is in Asia, not Europe.

[LiteKeeper]

I have investigated. Will you acknowledge, however, that there is a tremendous amount of disagreement from one dating method to another? And that all dating methods are based on certain presuppositions - most of which have no true means of calibrating.

[gore3000]

Creationism is a loose association of the dropouts of modern society,

Considering that all you ever post is insults and attacks on Christianity, perhaps you should look in the mirror.

[Ahban]

I have been, for years. I found some paradoxes that required much thought and research to resolve, but no contradictions. The paradoxes were more of a testament to my lack of perception at the time rather than in irreconciable flaws with the text of the book. I interpret it the same way I would the Constitution. You try to find the intent of the author, not what some liberal judge says it means.

[gore3000]

As for the alleged circularity of fossil dating, I might point out that there are other external indicators used to calibrate and judge the accuracy of radioisotope dating - you really ought to investigate the techniques used before asserting such a thing.

Perhaps the researchers should first state how they arrived at the dates. They never seem to do so. The legitimacy of the dating is just as important as the fossil itself.

[gore3000]

Have you visted other crevo threads? Any hostility you may see in this thread is minor compared to the abuse hurled at evolutionists.

BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!

[Aracelis]

Need someone to do your homework for you? I won't do that but I will give you the following radioisotopic half-lives and their daughter products which are useful in radiometric dating:

• Samarium 147 to Neodynmium 143 - >100,000,000 years
• Rubidium 87 to Strontium 87 - >100,000,000 years
• Thorium 232 to Lead 208 - >200,000,000 years
• Uranium 238 to Lead 206 - >100,000,000 years
• Uranium 235 to Lead 207 - >100,000,000 years
• Potassium 40 to Argon 40 - >100,000 years
• Carbon 14 to Nitrogen 14 - 0 to 80,000 years.

In addition, researchers may use fission track dating, relative time scales, dendrochronology, thermoluminescence, electron-spin resonance, and varve analyses to support and confirm radiometric dating.

Any of these terms may be found on the web.

[gore3000]

the discovery team estimated the cranial capacity of the new skull to be about 600 cubic centimeters, compared with about 780 and 650 c.c.'s for the other Dmanisis specimens. That is "near the mean" for H. habilis, they noted. Modern human braincases are about 1,400 cubic centimeters.

Paleontologists still adhere to the totally discredited notion that the size of the head matters in any way to intelligence. Elephants have not made spaceships, and neither have hippos. Children are smarter than older full grown humans, it is totally amazing how much they learn in such a short time. For example, children learn language in a year while it takes fully grown people years to do the same. You also cannot tell a person's intelligence by looking at them which should be the case if the size of the brain was the measure of intelligence. In addition to all the above, real science (not the pseudo-sciences of evolution and paleontology) learned long ago that it is not brain size, but the folds of the brain that matter most about intelligence. In addition to which we have recently found that even without any genetic differences, humans are much smarter than chimps because of greater gene expression in their brains. So this brain size nonsense means absolutely nothing regarding the capabilities or the nature of the organism. Which is not to be wondered at since we can tell very little from just a few bones.

[Aracelis]

BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!

And this, written by someone who knows.

[gore3000]

This thread will now be ruined, there will Blue everywhere, talking about stuff that is totally ridiculous and been gone over time and time again. And been refuted and shot dowm time and time again.

And is that supposed to be a statement of fact or an ad-hominem? If what I say has been shot down so often, you should have no problem shooting it down again - if what you say is true and not just another evolutionist lame insult.

[Aracelis]

Sorry, those aren't half-lives. The dates reported are useful ranges.