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To: steve50
Steve50 wrote: The libertarians are for strictly limiting the powers of the government(as were our founders), you might want to re-think that leading to authoritarianism line. It's the neocons and progressives who want an all powerful "democracy", or as our founders phrased it "a tyranny of the majority"

If you want to see libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion take a look at Somalia or much of sub-Saharan Africa.

Ideologically pure libertarianism leads to tribes and warlords.

6 posted on 08/11/2002 8:59:19 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
If you want to see libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion take a look at Somalia or much of sub-Saharan Africa.

Ideologically pure libertarianism leads to tribes and warlords.


You got a copy of their Constitutions to back that up. One of the silliest statements I've seen around here, and that's saying alot.
11 posted on 08/11/2002 9:39:57 AM PDT by steve50
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To: quidnunc
If you want to see libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion take a look at Somalia or much of sub-Saharan Africa. Ideologically pure libertarianism leads to tribes and warlords.

Or look no further than in Ohio where a loony Libertarian murdered a policeman Friday night over a mere traffic ticket. The man was the victim of the police initiating force (a traffic stop), and according to the Libertarian lunacy, he was within his natural rights to resist that unconstitutional force (commit murder).

18 posted on 08/11/2002 10:07:13 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: quidnunc
Ideologically pure libertarianism leads to tribes and warlords.

Anarchy pimpled with pus-pockets of vicious private authoritarianism. No law, no predictability, just the arbitrary and carpicious "freedom" of the jungle where tempers are short and life-spans even shorter.

46 posted on 08/11/2002 2:10:33 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: quidnunc
And the problem with LOCAL control is......????

I guess an all-powerful, all-controlling fedgov is OK with you? The founders disagreed with you, mostly. Hamilton was OK with it but the rest were surely not. The Constitution limits GOOBERMENT, not the people. Please bear that in mind.
52 posted on 08/11/2002 2:17:58 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: quidnunc
Ideologically pure libertarianism leads to tribes and warlords.

Ideologically pure conservatism leads to witch trials, Blue Laws, or even the Taliban.
Ideologically pure democracy leads to forced fads, mob rule, and the worst sorts of populism.
Ideologically pure communism leads to peaceful sharing, compassion, and equality (and is entirely impossible because human nature is radically miscalculated).

Ideological purity is undesirable in ANY philosophy. The wonderful dichotomy of Left vs. Right has been VERY good for America in many ways. That being said, a solid move towards Libertarianism (a limited, small, and well-defined government and code of laws) would go a long way towards restoring our lost Liberty (personal property rights, rights to the full fruits of our labors, etc.).

54 posted on 08/11/2002 2:19:53 PM PDT by Teacher317
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