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Killer once led petition drive over gun rights,fought tax rules (Massillon, OH)
The Canton Repository (OHIO) ^ | August 11, 2002 | LORI MONSEWICZ

Posted on 08/11/2002 3:14:42 AM PDT by ResistorSister

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Another story about Don Matthews' night out.

Please continue to pray for the slain officer's family.

Catch up at the other threads on the issue.

Massillon officer, suspect killed in chase, shootout

Massillon officer killed: Armed motorist also dies in shootout

1 posted on 08/11/2002 3:14:42 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: ResistorSister
He believed that the U.S. Constitution is the governing force of the people

Is this to imply that he's misguided because of this belief??

BTW- as the anti-capital punishment crowd ever shown up for a conservative (pro-guns, pro-life, pro-capitalism) on death row?

2 posted on 08/11/2002 3:21:13 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: ResistorSister
DETAILS TO SHOOTING
3 posted on 08/11/2002 3:31:11 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: ResistorSister
then turn a high-powered Czechoslovakian military assault weapon on them

So now Matthew's handgun, a .32, has been elevated to a high-powered assault weapon? The newshogs are in overdrive on this one. They are gonna twist this story like crazy, and that sucks. I hate having to perform media analysis over a sad event like this - but I also see what is coming at us from the damn newshogs...

4 posted on 08/11/2002 4:28:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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He had a Czechoslovakian CZ-7.62x25 semi-automatic military handgun.

I know nothing about guns, except for the fact that they have a trigger. Is a CA-7.62x25 a high-powered gun?

5 posted on 08/11/2002 4:38:57 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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I know nothing about guns, except for the fact that they have a trigger. Is a CA-7.62x25 a high-powered gun?

One of the articles you posted said it was .32 caliber. A bullet of any caliber can kill, but no one here would dream of saying a .32 is a high-power round.

6 posted on 08/11/2002 4:41:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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Excerpt from the Massillon Independent:

"Matthews was armed with a Czechoslovakian CZ-762x25 semi-automatic military handgun, said Major James Walker, in charge of field operations for the OSP."

Shooting motive still unclear

7 posted on 08/11/2002 4:44:36 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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Highway Patrol Lt. Gary Lewis said investigators were trying to determine whether Matthews’ actions stemmed from any connection to the Ohio Militia, a radical movement. Most of its members believe the government and police have no constitutional authority over them.

“Investigators are attempting to develop information which could substantiate that,” Lewis said.

Do the cops investigate the political beliefs of all dead perps? Or do they think there is some sort of conspiracy here beyond the fact that a perp ran, then decided to shoot it out?

The article is an attempt to make some anti-gun, anti-conservative hay by taking the actions of a now-dead crook, and smearing them on someone still alive. The political life of your average dead street punk doesn't merit this much attention and speculation.

8 posted on 08/11/2002 4:57:03 AM PDT by 300winmag
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This guy, Don Matthews was OUT THERE with his beliefs...so, the media is going to highlight them.
9 posted on 08/11/2002 5:01:36 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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Also known as the .30 calibre Mauser Military- it's a supersonic load.

10 posted on 08/11/2002 5:05:12 AM PDT by backhoe
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Please, what is a computer tower?
11 posted on 08/11/2002 5:07:06 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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The computer tower IS the computer.

The machine where you access your floppy drive...do you know what I mean?

12 posted on 08/11/2002 5:08:33 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: dirtboy; ResistorSister; Lazamataz; Dan from Michigan
A bullet of any caliber can kill, but no one here would dream of saying a .32 is a high-power round.

Unlike the familiar anemic .32 pistol ammo, the 7.62x25 appears to be rather formidable. Googling for 7.62x25 turns up stuff like this:

How hot is 7.62x25 ammo?

In other words, some news accounts may have blundered into something near the truth.

Condolences to Officer Taylor's family.

13 posted on 08/11/2002 5:08:50 AM PDT by dighton
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To: backhoe
Everything I always wanted to know about guns but was afraid to ask. Thanks.
14 posted on 08/11/2002 5:09:29 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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Yes, that's what I thought....thanks.
15 posted on 08/11/2002 5:12:08 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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Please, what is a computer tower?

I think the media was trying to make the computer seem different by calling it a "tower". Almost all computers today are "towers".

16 posted on 08/11/2002 5:14:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: mystery-ak
No problem.
17 posted on 08/11/2002 5:14:59 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: dirtboy
One of the articles you posted said it was .32 caliber. A bullet of any caliber can kill, but no one here would dream of saying a .32 is a high-power round.

This is no anemic little .32 ACP. With sabotted rounds it could penetrate a kevlar vest.

There are loads available for it that use a 62 grain .223 round in a sabot. These generate over 2000fps muzzle velocity, which is a serious round, in a pistol.

These rounds will reportedly penetrate level III body armor.

18 posted on 08/11/2002 5:18:46 AM PDT by TC Rider
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"A bullet of any caliber can kill, but no one here would dream of saying a .32 is a high-power round."

Sorry to disagree with you Dirtboy, but lurkers abound, and they would think a Spit Ball is a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

19 posted on 08/11/2002 5:22:25 AM PDT by Dacus943
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I understand, from reading the thread last night, that Matthews was a *Freeper*....if they seized his computer, what does that mean for FR...if anything?
20 posted on 08/11/2002 5:22:46 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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