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Massillon officer, suspect killed in chase, shootout
The Canton Repository (OHIO) ^ | Saturday, August 10, 2002 | LORI MONSEWICZ and ROBERT WANG Repository staff writers

Posted on 08/10/2002 6:07:37 AM PDT by ResistorSister

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To: decimon
Weren't you the one posting to the wrong people? I'm not going through the whole thing again. It took me hours just to read everything once. Do your own research. Thank you.

You go through the tread and I'll respond to any particular point you wish to make. Fair enough?

481 posted on 08/11/2002 6:12:07 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Dec31,1999
On the contrary, it is the targeting of the lesser violations which leads to the diminution of the greater ones. Ask Rudy Giuliani.

I don't have a clue what your talking about..

482 posted on 08/11/2002 6:17:31 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Rudy G was the mayor of NYC, who proved to the world that NYC was in fact, governable, against popular opinion at the time.

He set his police department to ticket, stop, or even arrest violators of "minor violations".

The result? NYC became the safest large city in America in 5 years. Do a search on the "Broken Window theory". It wll explain all.

The upshot is that good policing can reduce crime. Duh!

483 posted on 08/11/2002 6:25:24 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Dec31,1999
The result? NYC became the safest large city in America in 5 years. Do a search on the "Broken Window theory". It wll explain all.

Dare I ask? Hehehe... Could I see a credible source for this "New York, safest city in America" statement? If you don't mind.....I guess I missed that somewhere. I look forward to your facts backing this up.....

484 posted on 08/11/2002 6:29:07 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Here's an example
485 posted on 08/11/2002 6:32:35 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Safest largest city. Let's say of the largest 10.
486 posted on 08/11/2002 6:37:45 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Dec31,1999
The result? NYC became the safest large city in America in 5 years.

Uh, That's not what I asked for. You made the above statement, and I asked for a source to back it up. Now I know this isn't true. Why would you make a statement like this?

487 posted on 08/11/2002 6:39:48 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dec31,1999
Hehehehe....Oh, now in the top ten.....OK.......
488 posted on 08/11/2002 6:40:44 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dec31,1999
The result? NYC became the safest large city in America in 5 years.

Actually, I did a little quick research, it's not only *not* the safest city, in overall ratings, it didn't even rate among the top 25 safest cities.....

489 posted on 08/11/2002 7:12:58 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dec31,1999
Weren't you the one posting to the wrong people?

I'm afraid that you've lost me with this. I did mispost a couple of days ago to someone else and if that created confusion for anyone then I apologize. At this point I don't know what your "CJ post" is referring to.

490 posted on 08/11/2002 7:22:49 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Joe Hadenuf; Dec31,1999
Actually, I did a little quick research, it's not only *not* the safest city, in overall ratings, it didn't even rate among the top 25 safest cities.....

The article talks about a statistical drop in serious crimes from the aggressive enforcement of minor crimes; whereas your stats are static.

491 posted on 08/11/2002 7:41:44 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Illbay
And guess what? I haven't had a ticket in fifteen years--which is just about the time I decided speeding was rather senseless.

I've been driving since 1976, and I've never gotten a speeding ticket. Not that I haven't done 100mph+ on more than one occasion, I'm just very careful about when and where I open my cars up. Normally I'm doing at or below the speed limit in traffic, maybe a little over if that's what the flow demands.

My beef with traffic stops is that unless I'm doing something obviously dangerous for given road conditions, it's a waste of the cops' time to hassle me.

492 posted on 08/11/2002 8:11:07 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Cultural Jihad
I think my point was made inordinately clear. Thanks...
493 posted on 08/11/2002 8:33:48 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I think my point was made inordinately clear. Thanks...

It was. CJ only posts when he's already lost and the only thing he might do is sway some gullible lurker somewhere....then again they'd have to be REAL gullible..

494 posted on 08/11/2002 9:02:31 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
A cop on every corner, sounds like a socialist agenda to me, moron.
495 posted on 08/11/2002 9:09:02 PM PDT by thepitts
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To: decimon
Any who think he may have had a valid reason for shooting the cop should at least give some thought to where and when it makes sense to stand your ground

I sure wouldn't argue with that. In the event a time comes to stand my ground one day....I hope it will be of my choosing.

496 posted on 08/11/2002 9:18:31 PM PDT by wardaddy
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Placemarker
497 posted on 08/12/2002 12:22:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: wardaddy
In the event a time comes to stand my ground one day....I hope it will be of my choosing.

I think there are a good many people who dream of having their moment of glory in some confrontation. The dream may involve violence or it may involve some courtroom drama where they smite the bad guys with their brilliance and Constitutional knowledge or whatever. But that's not, IMO, smart because they're fighting on the other guy's turf and under his rules.

498 posted on 08/12/2002 5:22:40 AM PDT by decimon
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To: PLMerite
My beef with traffic stops is that unless I'm doing something obviously dangerous for given road conditions, it's a waste of the cops' time to hassle me.

Why do I expect that, asked who should determine what is "obviously dangerous," your response will be "me"?

Bottom line: Respect the law by obeying the law. If you want the law changed, then work within the established framework for doing so.

Don't jeopardize my family's and my safety because you have delusions of grandeur ("h*ll, I know when Ah'm goin' too fast! I know when Ah've had too much t'drink!")

499 posted on 08/12/2002 10:27:36 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Excellent post.

To many of the rabidly anti-government types that post on the forum, yours and my families safety is not important compared to their right to do as they please. Any adherence to the law makes one a sheeple and is a prerequisited to allowing the government to be a police state. I haven't seen too many of them posting on this thread though, but the ones that do are already spouting 'we don't know the whole story', hoping the story will die down.

My prayers go out to the widow of the fallen Officer and his 2 children.

500 posted on 08/12/2002 10:46:49 AM PDT by RabidBartender
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