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To: AM2000
In a private corporation, this would be grounds for termination.

No it wouldn't; none that I know of anyhow. And I'll be you MY buck to YOUR doughnut that I know a hell of a lot more about "Corporate America" than you do.

29 posted on 08/09/2002 4:05:58 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: ErnBatavia
No it wouldn't; none that I know of anyhow. And I'll be you MY buck to YOUR doughnut that I know a hell of a lot more about "Corporate America" than you do.

So that's your argument? "You're wrong, and I'm smarter than you are, nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah"?

Save it.

31 posted on 08/09/2002 4:18:18 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: ErnBatavia; AM2000
"In a private corporation, this would be grounds for termination"

I have to tell you it would indeed be grounds for termination.It may or may not be enforced, but similar actions of "intolerance" in private corporations are on the books as unacceptable behavior.

The lack of judgement shown by this individual does more than reflect his loss of controll.In and of itself, he deserves termination in his profession.His little "dig" will also jeapordise any potential legal action against the search sudjects.

It boils down to integrity.There is always a danger of abuse of authority by "agents" of the government.Remember Waco?Ruby Ridge? Think about what would happen in a no-knock raid if they screw up the address and come to your home instead.

In his position, if he did not know what he did was pure stupidity, he should not have been in his position.It is ignorant to excuse his actions, because "Clinton, Carter, or "so and so" got "away" with even worse.Just because OJ got away with murder, is no excuse for XXXX to get away with XXXX.Several thousands of wrongs still do not make a right.

As a private citizen of the USA I may exercise my freedom of speech and spout my beliefs 24/7. When I am "on the clock", my actions are indeed proscribed by my employer.

That we, as a nation, do not rage equally and consistantly at the lack of integrity evident by "some" in our government, in no way implies a blanket acceptance of abuse to the entire government.Nor does it mean the entire government has a lack of integrity.

46 posted on 08/09/2002 6:21:37 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: ErnBatavia; AM2000
No, I agree with AM2000. This would be grounds for termination in corporate America. It really would. What he did was childish. It wasn't part of serious work on a serious mission. The need for such self-expression when he's on such a mission is troubling, to boot. It's not just a PC thing about the message: just taking time to do that rather than staying focussed on the work, that's precisely what the Secret Service doesn't want.

Secret Service has a probationary period. If you lose focus on your job at all during that period -- say just normal fighting with your peers that a corporate America job might not tolerate -- you get canned. They are rightfully pretty strict about behavior.

So let's not turn this into some example of PC-dom run amok. He was out of turn, operating outside of his mission orders. It doesn't matter whether you agree with his message, which I imagine many would. That was not the right time or place. It was a massive lack of judgment in a job which calls for suberb judgment.

There's no more news there than that people. Move along. Move along.
62 posted on 08/09/2002 9:28:18 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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