Posted on 08/09/2002 6:58:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz
This guy is obviously insane!!
Over three thousnd dead is not a "punch in the nose" . . .
How many more countrymen must die before you are willing to support our country's efforts to stop the onslaught? Do you really believe these lurkers in darkness will simply allow themselves to be captured? Do you honestly believe they give a damn about your sense of fairness?
Must we wait for the inevitable attack on American soil, again?
And how much should that attitude preclude rational thinking?
Our own thoughts are beyond our control?
Evidently so, given the mandate of "gung ho" thinking.
A large part of our decision making and opinion forming happens beyond our concious control, this is why you cannot "just decide" to have an opinion contrary to an opinion you now hold. We can lie to ourselves about WHY we hold an opinion though, we can make false justifications, but the opinion is formed by processes below perception and control.
This is why people get upset when you speak a truth-- or reasoning behind a truth- that conflicts with thier own: because ones mind works despite what you do- if the reasoning is rational and proper your mind tends to absorb it.
The point is, in the tradition of Emerson, American thinking has traditionally been a completely "conscious" effort upon the part of individuals.
The will to engage your mind and evolve and maintain a consistant system of rationalization is indeed a concious endeavor, but where the reasoning actually happens is subconcious and machine-like. You can teach anyone anything by controlling thier environmental 'truths', and eventually the concious mind will begin to believe that false reality.
This is how the whole social ethics of the left is instilled.
We both are right to an extent on the issue, the concious mind (relying on properly trained functions of the subconcious) stands on guard, using - like tools- that subsystem to decide a validity. But even then, with enough pressure, that can be overcome.
The point Im making is illustrated well by this:
The subconcious can ascribe a value to an interest(A), and another value to an interest(B), while the subconcious holds that A>B our 'rationalizing' excuse-making concious may attempt to justify ourselves by saying: The reason I believe in (C) is because of B more than A.
Its concious self-deceit and creates a disharmony that can be detected by inquiry or debate.
Anyway, if you don't think people can control their thoughts consciously, then why should we bother engaging in debate or discussion with them?
Explained above, but essentially to show a person (force thier subconcious) to affirm or recognize your proposition as true. This causes greater energy to be expended by the concious lie and will be evidenced often by irrational, unsupported insistance (an increase in volume, anger, shame or fear).
Sincerity only gets you so far. What exactly are you proposing? How is the WOT conducted in your ideal world?
I am proposing that we recognise that the WOT is driven, in part, by other considerations and interests. And that we have a duty to insure the war is not going to be neither subjegated to nor impeded by those interests.
The Saudi controversy is an excellent example. All of a sudden they are exposed as 'bad guys too' (for reasons beyond thier refusal) while before, it was 'pretty much ok' that they are bad guys-- as long as they do as told.
How unamerican of them. =)
How convenient that there are calls for us to "administer Saudi Arabia's oil fields for the common good of the people of the region"
Good of the people or good for Aramcos monopoly?
Gosh, forgive me for my lack of warm-fuzzies and failing to believe in the inherent goodwill of men over the mighty dollar.
No, not me. Tonite's the nite I clean the lint out of my bellybutton.
Anyway, I'm allergic to verbose people. I'm amazed at the number of words he uses to say nothing.
Hey mp, do you know Justin Raimondo?
A kick in the nuts then? A stabbing?
Im sorry I didnt realize you were incapable of grasping the mechanism of analogy.
How many more countrymen must die before you are willing to support our country's efforts to stop the onslaught?
Please cite where and how you have ascertained my position to be unsupportive of "stopping the onslaught"? I'm asking you to refrain from that type of transparent, simpleton, slanderous inferrences in the future. Anyone impressed by that is outweighed by the more intelligent present capable of recognizing how feeble it is.
Must we wait for the inevitable attack on American soil, again?
Maybe you can explain to me something I find really puzzling- our gov says there are other terrorists here in the US...
So, being under pressure of being caught as each day goes by- why do they not simply storm into a school and do a Columbine?
How hard is that?
I think that would be pretty damn effective- its not a 'dirty bomb' or a suitcase nuke -- but its got more shock value than Anthrax letters.
Why are there no National Guards at our schools?
Props! We need props over here!
Scene II-written by The Peculiar Posse- Tim McVeigh, "Tom McVey", Buford Furrow, Larry Ashbrook, Kliebold and Harris.
Coming to a theater near you!
All in due time.
1) We are still coming out of one of the largest market bubbles in history, its ramifications are still playing out.
2) The market was in a serious nosedive just prior to 911.
3) Investigations into trading irregularities, that were guaranteed to at least give us names, were both lamely pursued and quickly swept into the media memory hole.
4) JP Morgan and Citibank. The extent of stock market fraud is potentially earth shattering. JP Morgan Fails to Report $45 Billion in Gold Derivatives to the SEC, US Government, JP Morgan & Citigroup Said 'Defrauding The World' !
5) Freddie Mack, Frannie Mae and the housing bubble.
6) Gold, Oil and Drugs. Suppression of the gold market is reaching a critical juncture, the Saudis want to end the monopoly enjoyed by Aramco, the US economy/wall street is dependent on $1 trillion in drug money that is openly laundered through our banks every year.
7) The military industrial complex needs an injection of capital yet again.
8) One hundred TRILLION, an amount equal to the GDP of the world, in unregulated derivatives have leveraged the global economy into a interdependent situation that mimics a powder keg -- there is no way to restrict the chain reaction damage if a default big enough hits it.
In essense we have been living a lie as far as our monetary/credit system goes, a lie that is getting harder and harder to conceal. More players/assets must be brought to the table. More steps taken to build the breakwall that prevents the populus from rising up and lynching the establishment. More scapegoats and distraction created to avert our attention and divert our wrath.
Thus there is war. Same ole, same ole.
The President, whoever he be, has never mattered. Whoever takes that office understands what is off-limits. He knows he is under constant threat from the real kings of the world. Why do you think Kennedy and Lincoln got it?
You people think the situation is any different Arkanicide-wise now that Bush is in? You think that government and organized crime ARE NOT locked in a mortal love embrace?
Yes, there are terrorists, yes we need to deal with them. But we have a much bigger problem, a problem that really could mean the end of civilization.
The beast has arisen and we are out chasing gnats and feeling heroic.
"Yea for our side!" < rolls eyes >
Play GI Joe to your hearts content, play Duke Nuke 'em, until you understand we have brain cancer things will only get worse.
Hollywood actor Woody Harrelson is in your town, staggering from pub to pub with his pockets stuffed with money. He is permanently stoned and befuddled and can't find his own a$$.
Carry on and happy hunting.
Correcting the rumors about the 3 bums...
Yes, there were three bums arrested that day.
No, their names aren't "lost".
No, they weren't on the "grassy knoll", nor were they walking nearby.
No, Harrelson Sr. was not one of them.
In the fantastically comprehensive book on the JFK assassination "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner (it's *the* reference source for anything concerning that event), the following appears on pages 271-272:
[On the day of the shooting] The police were not sure whether the assassin merely used the Depository or whether he was an employee. As a result, while they searched there, they also continued to look around Dealy Plaza. Over an hour after the assassination, three men were found inside a railway car several blocks away. They were photographed as they were taken into custody Later dubbed "the three tramps", they became a mainstay of conspiracy speculation. It was suspicious the police did not take their names, and the men seemed too well dressed to be hoboes. Over the years, everything from computer enhancements to anthropological studies were used to find out who they were. Some labeled Watergate burglars Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt as two of the tramps. The tallest one was identified as Charles Harrelson, a convicted contract murderer [32]. Some self-proclaimed adventurers, like Chauncey Holt, have confessed to being one of the tramps, and spun long tales about their purported roles in the assassination. But in February 1992, researchers discovered that Dallas police files released in 1989 showed that three tramps had indeed been booked on November 22, 1963. The records identified the suspects as Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Gedney. Two of the men, Gedney and Doyle, were still alive, and it turned out they were real tramps who had been to the local rescue mission the night before the assassination and were sleeping in the railroad car when the police arrested them [33]. The men had no connection to the events at Dealey, and the conspiracy press suddenly and quietly abandoned the issue.32. Marrs, _Crossfire_, pp. 333-337.
33. Police arrest records of Gus W. Abrams, Harold Doyle, and John Gedney, November 22, 1963, Dallas Municipal Archives and Records Center.
"...I was fascinated by what he had to say.
"He's incredibly brave to have done that song. Especially when doing something like that could be considered very dangerous in today's world."
"I can't believe he got so criticised in America for it. It's so unfair,"
"I hear he's too scared to go over to the States now. What a joke. I'd really like to meet George. "
"I want to .... standing up and speaking out."
"I totally support him and wish him all the best. It would really make my day if you could set up a meeting with me and George. I just want to shake that guy by the ...."
"I have one thing to say about the Mirror - it's amazing," he said. "The paper's stance on the war against terrorism is just right. It's so bold."
"The war against terrorism is terrorism. The whole thing is just bullsh*t. What you guys have done is very brave."
"I love it over here, man,"
"I've been really busy but now the play has started I want to have a little fun. There's a little spot I go to but I'd rather not tell you where it is."
I didn't realize Woody was such a liberal fag. I wonder if his wife knows.
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